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How is one supposed to be able to tell if all of the history is correct in the ECM without a tech 2
All #'s must match or GM will not honor warranty..............period

are you asking a question or making a statement?

dealers don't even use that garbage... you want an update? pay for an hour oif the techs time to update....

If you have an issue that falls under warranty and there is a recal to address that problem... free update...

Other then that... the link you supplied is not used or required by techs...
 

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are you asking a question or making a statement?

dealers don't even use that garbage... you want an update? pay for an hour oif the techs time to update....

If you have an issue that falls under warranty and there is a recal to address that problem... free update...

Other then that... the link you supplied is not used or required by techs...

I lost a motor took it to a dealer they denied warranty said there was a tuner installed (I flashed it back to stock before having it towed) They showed me with a tech ll that there was a difference in ENGINE OPERATION, ENGINE, FUEL SYSTEM, SYSTEM, AND SPEEDOMETER, the factory rep on the phone said they could not honor warranty. (THEY DON"T USE IT)???????
I'm living proof, I want everybody to know and understand what this means so GM can't do it to anybody else that has a tuner installed ( EFI )
 

McRat

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How is one supposed to be able to tell if all of the history is correct in the ECM without a tech 2
All #'s must match or GM will not honor warranty..............period

I just plugged a freshly updated Tech2 into Casper, which has been flashed HUNDREDS of times, and has even had OS changes in the past.

The TIS information matches exactly what it's supposed to be.

I think they are either lying, or are ignorant of what is on the Tech2 screen.

Have them post the screen info.
 

McRat

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Here's the info for Casper, plug it in.

What you will see, is that Casper doesn't have the latest updates.

Casper has a 800rwhp+ tune loaded in it.
 

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Tired Old Man

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Here's the info for Casper, plug it in.

What you will see, is that Casper doesn't have the latest updates.

Casper has a 800rwhp+ tune loaded in it.

I will have to fax you a copy of this picture of the actual Tech ll,
it is in the verification window
I need your fax #. I'm currently in Cache Creek BC. on my way to Alaska and won't be back until after Aug. I had the truck towed to my place in Squaw Valley by Fresno. I need to try and get this resolved by the time I get back.
I can only get internet access @ Nite when we stop so this is going to take time.
 

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I will have to fax you a copy of this picture of the actual Tech ll,
it is in the verification window
I need your fax #. I'm currently in Cache Creek BC. on my way to Alaska and won't be back until after Aug. I had the truck towed to my place in Squaw Valley by Fresno. I need to try and get this resolved by the time I get back.
I can only get internet access @ Nite when we stop so this is going to take time.

Our fax # is 951-279-1090
 

Tired Old Man

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Here is vin# 1GBE5E1205F503752
IN QUESTION PART#'S CVN MINE READS
15904640 00009F5B 00003424
94665132 0000888D 000032A7
93441696 0000EE45 0000203B
93441649 000020A6 0000BAFA
93804474 0000D315 0000D16C
93441681 0000A07D 000066F2
ACCORDING TO THEM THIS MUST BE DONE BEFORE ANY WARANTY WORK CAN BE PERFORMED
they had a techll w/candi module attached, and did 12 keystrokes to get to the screen. and then showed what I am trying to send to you. He would not let me see what buttons that he pushed to get to it.
try to send fax of results
 

Mike

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I will have to fax you a copy of this picture of the actual Tech ll,
it is in the verification window
I need your fax #. I'm currently in Cache Creek BC. on my way to Alaska and won't be back until after Aug. I had the truck towed to my place in Squaw Valley by Fresno. I need to try and get this resolved by the time I get back.
I can only get internet access @ Nite when we stop so this is going to take time.

Hello Tom, glad to see your on your way. I tried calling you a few times and can now understand why you have not answered. Stay safe on your trip and hope the 03 is running well. See you after Aug 1st.
 

McRat

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Here is vin# 1GBE5E1205F503752
IN QUESTION PART#'S CVN MINE READS
15904640 00009F5B 00003424
94665132 0000888D 000032A7
93441696 0000EE45 0000203B
93441649 000020A6 0000BAFA
93804474 0000D315 0000D16C
93441681 0000A07D 000066F2
ACCORDING TO THEM THIS MUST BE DONE BEFORE ANY WARANTY WORK CAN BE PERFORMED
they had a techll w/candi module attached, and did 12 keystrokes to get to the screen. and then showed what I am trying to send to you. He would not let me see what buttons that he pushed to get to it.
try to send fax of results


Uh...

Wish I had an 05 Kodiak around, but none of those numbers are for the operating system or TCM, or system, etc. What are they? Dunno. Stereo? Maybe.
 

NelsonDiesel

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#08-06-04-006B: Information on Identifying Non-GM Calibration Usages for LMM Duramax Diesel Engine - (Jun 27, 2008)


Subject: Information on Identifying Non-GM Calibration Usages for LMM Duramax® Diesel Engine


Models: 2005-2008 Chevrolet Express, Kodiak, Silverado

2005-2008 GMC Savana, Sierra, TopKick

with 6.6L Duramax® Diesel Engine (VINs D, 2 , 6 -- RPOs LBZ, LLY, LMM)




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This bulletin is being revised to add additional model years, a Caution statement regarding likely Powertrain damage and information about documenting non-GM calibration information. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 08-06-04-006A (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).


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Caution: Customers should be informed that even after the calibration has been returned to a GM certified configuration, it is likely that engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components were weakened to the point of premature failure, while subjected to the higher stresses from the non-GM calibration (Power-Up Kit). Engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Power-Up Kit Detection
For 2007-2008 applications, an Engine Control Module (ECM) algorithm was implemented that records the engine calibration part number and Calibration Verification Number (CVN) for the last 10 flash programming events. The ECM only records the engine calibration part number because it contains the parameters for increasing torque and fueling rates.

Some customers may have re-programmed the ECM with a non-GM released calibration. The (Power-Up Kit) powertrain calibration changes fueling and timing parameters and likely contributes to the following vehicle conditions:

• Poor Performance

• Black Smoke (This symptom is not valid for the 6.6L (LMM) diesel equipped with the diesel particulate filter (DPF). The DPF will trap black smoke unless the DPF is cracked, melted or has been removed from the exhaust system.)

• Knocking Noise

• Engine Damage

If a vehicle comes in for service for a driveability/powertrain concern as a result of a Power-Up Kit installation, the dealership technician now can read the last 10 engine calibration part numbers and CVN history using a Tech 2 ®.

The dealership technician would input each ECM calibration part number into the SPS/TIS2WEB CVN database to confirm the CVN history information. Refer to Tech 2 path table in this bulletin to verify ECM calibration.

2007-2008 LMM Tech 2 Powertrain Output Controls Path Table for NON-GM ECM Calibration
Build the vehicle with the Tech 2.
Select F0: Engine Control Module.
Select F5: Module Identification Information.
Select F1: Programming History.
Turn Ignition On and Engine Off. Press ENTER Key to Continue.
Important: An original production engine operation part number programmed in the ECM from the supplier, which is the last part number shown, would not be in the SPS/TIS2WEB database.

Record the Calibration I.D. Numbers and Verification Numbers from the Tech 2 Programming History Screen.
From SPS/TIS2WEB, record the Calibration Part Number into the CVN Database. Get CVN.
• If the CVN does not match the CVN database, an unauthorized engine calibration part was flash programmed into the ECM.

• If the CVN matches the CVN database, we can assume a Power-Up Kit that flash programs engine calibrations was not used.

2005-2007 LLY and LBZ Instructions for Confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN)
Go to TIS2WEB
Select "Calibration Information (SPS Info)"
Enter VIN
Select "Get Cal ID"
Select "ECM Engine Control Module"
Select "Next"
Select "Complete History"
Print
Take the printout to the vehicle along with the Tech 2®
Plug in the Tech 2®
Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle
Select "Powertrain"
Select "Engine"
*Select "Engine Control Module"
*Select "Module ID Information" or "I/M Information System" if module ID information selection is not available.
*If "I/M information System" was selected in step 15, it may be necessary to select "Vehicle Information" in order to display the calibration information.
Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.
* Steps may vary by controller.


Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will determine if the calibration is GM issued. If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY CVN's DO NOT match the printout, it is likely that a non-GM certified calibration has been installed.

If the CVN information is displayed as "N/A", it will be necessary to contact the TCSC to obtain the CVN information.

If a non-GM calibration is found to be in the ECM (CVN's on the Tech 2 do not match TIS printout) - In order to document the case -- a CLEAR digital picture should be taken of the Tech 2® screen showing the VIN and the CVN's that do not match the TIS2WEB printout. The picture, VIN and reason the vehicle is currently in for service should be emailed to [email protected] for verification. Please copy your GM District Service Manager (DVM) on the e-mail. GM will verify if the CVN's are not GM issued and respond via e-mail within 72 hours.
 

Tired Old Man

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Uh...

Wish I had an 05 Kodiak around, but none of those numbers are for the operating system or TCM, or system, etc. What are they? Dunno. Stereo? Maybe.

Pat take the vin# that I show and you get the first two column #'s that is supposed to show what you are supposed to have registered in the ECM.
What shows up in mine are the third column #'s that do not match the second column #'s that GM say's must match. I have the truck and I downloaded the Pgrm from the truck 5500 and compared it to the stock that I ave and according to EFI it matches. ( so I'm Screwed )
 

McRat

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If they did not "blackflag" your VIN, get a Tech2 and flash it back to stock.

You are right, those numbers do not match, but I'm not sure that's proof it's programmed. What happens when you get updates, or different fuel tank, or tire dia's, etc? Kodiak's often have custom CVN's from the coach builder IIRC.
 

Tired Old Man

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If they did not "blackflag" your VIN, get a Tech2 and flash it back to stock.

You are right, those numbers do not match, but I'm not sure that's proof it's programmed. What happens when you get updates, or different fuel tank, or tire dia's, etc? Kodiak's often have custom CVN's from the coach builder IIRC.

I have hard copy of CVN #'s and picture plus the as-h-le told me that he sent it to GM
 

McRat

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Something else to consider.

GM cannot deny warranty simply because the vehicle is using non-GM parts.

Adjusting the speedometer for different tire dias, or adding a larger fuel tank and reprogramming the fuel gauge, or other changes are not grounds for voiding their warranty. If their information tells them you increased the engine output, boost, emissions, or other potentially hazardous changes, then they have a case after they prove those changes were the cause of the failure.

Just depends on if you are willing or able to pursue it. The most popular "powerup" devices don't even program the ECM; the harness boxes.