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beach_33

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me and larry have been talking the last couple of days and we are wondering about the boost sensor scaling. in the pat 20/20 tune pat says to decrease by 20% and then this is the only boost mod that he makes. so what is better decreasing the sensor scaling or just increasing the boost table. and what happens if you do both. if lets say i am at peak asking for 52psi of boost do i run the risk of going over the requested number.
 

othrgrl

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My stock boost sensor (MAP) only reads up to 43.4 PSI of absolute pressue. All of my logs show MAP pressure flatline at 43.4 PSI and Actual Boost at ~28.6 depending on Baro. I should have monitored MAP voltage because it shouldn't flatline until 53.2 according to the sensor scaling at 5V. What that tells me is that the sensor only goes to 4V which is where 43.4 would fall on the sensor scale.

No matter how you scale it the sensor itself is going to be sending 4V (the max) at anything over ~29PSI of actual boost. Demanding above ~29 PSI of boost (~44 in the table) in your boost tables leaves the ECM trying to adjust the turbo to get more pressure than the 29 that it can see max, no matter what it does with the vanes the pressure always reads 29, even if your actual boost is at 40 on your mechanical gauge. At that point you have to start tuning using the vane position and max vane position tables. If you leave a big gap between vane and max vane you will have surges in boost from the ECM searching between the 2 trying to make your commanded boost.

Most places make a 5V 0-100 PSI pressure sensor (like the one I have for my drive pressure gauge) that you could drill and tap for then splice into the stock MAP's wiring. You would then rescale the sensor table (B0202) to go from 0-100 PSI linearly. The ECM would then be able to see what boost there really is and adjust the turbo accordingly and you should be able to go back to tuning for boost in the boost tables instead of the vane position tables. If I am still running a variable turbo when the motor goes back together I will most likely do this.
 

LarryJewell

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My stock boost sensor (MAP) only reads up to 43.4 PSI of absolute pressue. All of my logs show MAP pressure flatline at 43.4 PSI and Actual Boost at ~28.6 depending on Baro. I should have monitored MAP voltage because it shouldn't flatline until 53.2 according to the sensor scaling at 5V. What that tells me is that the sensor only goes to 4V which is where 43.4 would fall on the sensor scale.

No matter how you scale it the sensor itself is going to be sending 4V (the max) at anything over ~29PSI of actual boost. Demanding above ~29 PSI of boost (~44 in the table) in your boost tables leaves the ECM trying to adjust the turbo to get more pressure than the 29 that it can see max, no matter what it does with the vanes the pressure always reads 29, even if your actual boost is at 40 on your mechanical gauge. At that point you have to start tuning using the vane position and max vane position tables. If you leave a big gap between vane and max vane you will have surges in boost from the ECM searching between the 2 trying to make your commanded boost.

Most places make a 5V 0-100 PSI pressure sensor (like the one I have for my drive pressure gauge) that you could drill and tap for then splice into the stock MAP's wiring. You would then rescale the sensor table (B0202) to go from 0-100 PSI linearly. The ECM would then be able to see what boost there really is and adjust the turbo accordingly and you should be able to go back to tuning for boost in the boost tables instead of the vane position tables. If I am still running a variable turbo when the motor goes back together I will most likely do this.

so if i'm reading this right, your running max and desired vane tables fairly close, thus preventing surging :confused:
 

othrgrl

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When I say surge in this case I am not talking about turbo bark, I am talking about boost going up and down while at a steady throttle position and without shifts. IE in 5th at WOT from 80-120mph you see the boost going up and down from 34-40 PSI.

In the WOT areas of the tables (the areas that I am out of the range of the MAP sensor) I have desired and actual both pretty close. For example in B2214 @ 2400 RPM my desired vane position is 48% from 90mm3 down, in B2224 @ 2400 RPM my max vane position is 50% from 90mm3 down. Moving right from there across the 2 tables and they stay within 2% or closer of each other. My boost always held steady down the track.

Reducing or eliminating the modication tables (B2217-B2221 and for LBZ there are also B2227-B2230) will also help if you are having the boost surge or while watching logs you see Vane Position all over the place.

Let us know about that part number for the Honeywell sensor Pat - us Cheetah owners could really use it. And if the EGR position sensor is also 5V supply 0-5V output we could tap into that to log drive pressure with a second sensor.
 

Brayden

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I've been using a kavlico sensor 1/8 NPT for drive pressure and boost.. It works well.. If the honeywell is 75.00 I'd use it.. Mine were almost 100.00

Do they use a 3 pin Metripack 150 series connector? If so I have a bunch of pigtails. That could be used to extend the locations.
 

TheBac

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Slightly offtopic, but what boost table are you supposed to log with EFI to get an accurate boost reading?
 
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Killerbee

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My stock boost sensor (MAP) only reads up to 43.4 PSI of absolute pressue. All of my logs show MAP pressure flatline at 43.4 PSI and Actual Boost at ~28.6 depending on Baro. I should have monitored MAP voltage because it shouldn't flatline until 53.2 according to the sensor scaling at 5V. What that tells me is that the sensor only goes to 4V

You may have a heat damaged sensor? Just a thought. I have a couple of soot and heat damaged sensors, FWIW. Yes LLY, and I've logged plenum charge temps while they were going north of 250 F, and I don't abuse stuff like some do...
 

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I've been using a kavlico sensor 1/8 NPT for drive pressure and boost.. It works well.. If the honeywell is 75.00 I'd use it.. Mine were almost 100.00

Do they use a 3 pin Metripack 150 series connector? If so I have a bunch of pigtails. That could be used to extend the locations.

You can get them in a Packard connector or 39" cable. The ideal end is the factory end which doesn't seem to fit right on a Metripak IIRC.