"Sunny Dream" Solar vehicle

McRat

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First, I drive a hotrod Dmax daily and am not giving up my turbo scream. But I am a dreamer, and like to do strange stuff...

Me and the kids are building a 2 wheeled solar powered unofficial LSR (Land Speed Record, not racing). It is not likely to go faster than the mega-buck university racers, it's for fun and to see how fast we can go. AFAIK, the fastest solar vehicle without battery assist is 88kmph.

First, if you buy normal solar panels for your house, they are too heavy, and have a sheet of glass on top. This is too dangerous. So we have 10 x 100w semi-flexible panels that are roughly 8 sq ft each. So 80 sq ft of panel weighing 65lbs. About the size of a garage door. We are arranging them in a 4' x 20' array. You cannot even partially block the light going to the panels. Block 1% of the panel area, and your power falls from 100w to 20w (measured).

First trick is to see if a human can balance a 280 lb 2 wheeler with a 25 foot wheel base. We are starting with bicycle components for weight. We have a busted Trials bike we can use, but that ups the weight 50lb.

So we are making the frame, and rolling gear, and dummy weights, and will see how slow it can be ridden.

Then we add a battery pack that will emulate the solar panel output power. Then see how fast it goes, how stable, and make necessary changes. Last comes mounting the solar panels.

The frame is being welding by Mitch Fabrications who did the rollcage on our truck, and several other successful LSR vehicles. Should be finished up this week.

Note about solar panels - The only make peak power when given the optimum load. So you use a MPPT device (Max Power Point Tracking). You can't just use them as batteries, as they put out virtually no power without the perfect load, and it's a tight window. Ours are making 19.0v at 5.56 amps or 105w in testing after the MPPT. So about 1.40HP. Not a lot to work with. We are running two 500w DC motors rated at 24vdc. We will test them at 19v and 38v (pairing the panels) to see what makes the most power.

Will post a link to the U-Tube video of the "balance test" or you can see it on World's Dumbest Drivers 26 perhaps.

Why not a solar car? Weight. We can't use carbon fiber or honeycomb aluminum due to budget limits. Our limit is less than we paid for the fire protection for our truck.

Now, why would we do this? To learn something about solar, about EV technology, and something about aerodynamics.

In 10 years, I believe this tech will be significant for the common man. If you have a company do solar to your home, it's about $7-8 a watt. You can buy the parts for about $2/w, and installation cost is $1/w. The sales staff makes 1/2 the cost. We will reuse the panels after the attempt at the record to help power our home, and perhaps make a "bicycle assist" kit that doesn't require recharging with a 1/3 HP.

When I post the test videos, you must PROMISE to laugh.

How did the Electric Bug bite me? I saw a guy running a street legal Pontiac Fiero on batteries only at the dragstrip. It lofted the tires, and clicked off a 9.8 @ 134 mph blast down the 1320. This is quicker than 99.9% of street cars, and will abuse a Viper on the bottle. There is a guy with an electric private airplane that flies 203mph. A Cessna 172 goes about 110mph. This is not Save the Whales, this Hotrodding. I believe in 10 years, it will be real serious racing. There is already roadracing of electrics, and they are fast.
 

Schwinn68

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first of all, good luck! This sounds like a great family project. I really enjoy watching others push the envelope of innovation. Second, can you post some pictures of what you are proposing to make? Lastly, please post up your results, especially once you hook up to the house with the solar panels. I'm very interested in adapting this kind of technology to my own house along with a nice windmill. Every little bit helps
 

dmax711

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This is great, I recently took a solar certification class and learned alot.... I really like the new flexible panels that unisolar makes. If you havennt seen them check em out.
 

Sledhead

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I've been following these guys for a couple years, not solar but definitely electric hot rodding:

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McRat

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I have a Unisolar panel. You can walk on the them and roll them in a 12" diameter. They are intended for roofing, and a 15"x17' strip is $200 and 16lbs, and 128 watts. Note that they have less than 1/2 the power per sq ft than normal panels do, and weigh over twice as much per watt.

I'm going to mount it on the roof of my trailer with a controller and battery, to power the lights.

Note that Unisolar is in bankruptcy.
 

McRat

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Just like to throw out a :thumb: out to:

www.wholesalesolar.com for helpful tech. If you are going to DIY, I'd start with these guys.

Mitch Fabrications for welding and advice for the frame. He also did our rollcage and other items, and have always been very pleased with his work. 626 825 0803 he's in Southern California (El Monte?)
 

RKTMech

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Believe it or not thats how this website started, a place for a crazy man to put his crazy ideas down in stone!!!! Never a dull moment at McRat Racing :thumb: Always ready to be Albert II Pat, cant wait to ride it!!!!
 

McRat

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About housing Solar:

Currently there is 30% tax credit (not deduction, rebate) for money spent on alternative energy for home use or transportation. There are other credits depending on your state, your city, and your utility company. The utility company in most states must buy your power from you if it is excess of your usage. But there might be a limit. In my area, arrays of more than 10kW are different.

The "per sq ft" yield will continue to climb as technology increases, but it's viable right now. It will pay for itself, but it will take 7+ years.

Do not sign up for Free Solar, where the company keeps the rebate and owns the panels. This is more expensive in the long run.

You need to check with your Fire Dept as to their guidelines (if any), in my area, there must be a 3 foot path for them to walk on the roof.

"Normal" solar power is called "On-The-Grid". The electricity you make is pumped back into the community power system. Your meter must be changed so it can "see" the reversal. When there is a blackout, your solar shuts off. This is required by law so you don't electrocute the repairmen. So it is NOT a replacement for a generator.

"Off-The-Grid" is normally only used by those in remote areas. It sends the power to a huge array of batteries, and the inverter powers your house with it.

For both kinds: Panels make DC voltage, not AC. Through the inverter, it is converted into 230v single phase with two hots and a neutral. So if you need 230v in your remote garage, you can do it with solar.

You must notify the utility prior to hooking any kind of electric generator "on-the-grid", and they come out and verify. Most cities require permits for solar installs, but you DON'T need a licensed contractor if you do it yourself and it is inspected.
 

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You noted that if you cover a small percentage of the panel the output drops dramatically. Without going too deep, it is because unpowered cells act as power sinks in many panels.

The cure is to isolate the panels instead of putting them in series. Or parallel them and use a voltage pump to bring the voltage up to your desired value. The loss from the various voltage pump designs vary, but will easily be compensated for by being able to run the electric motor at it's rated (or higher) voltage. Most EV use 200V - 300V motors for their efficiency.
 

McRat

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You noted that if you cover a small percentage of the panel the output drops dramatically. Without going too deep, it is because unpowered cells act as power sinks in many panels.

The cure is to isolate the panels instead of putting them in series. Or parallel them and use a voltage pump to bring the voltage up to your desired value. The loss from the various voltage pump designs vary, but will easily be compensated for by being able to run the electric motor at it's rated (or higher) voltage. Most EV use 200V - 300V motors for their efficiency.

Thanks!

I'm not up to the high voltage stuff yet. I will either run 5p2s (38v) or 10s (19v). The most voltage this thing can make is 190v, but that's too dangerous around the kids.

The high voltage stuff is project 3... Duramax Hybrid. :devil:
 

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Sounds like an amazing project, and I love the fact that you let the kids participate, too. My father has never allowed me to help him when he was busy with some techincal stuff. I wasn't a big fan of technical stuff actually, but I really wanted to spend more time with my dad. Good for you!