Smoke-- turbo or head gaskets?

calereeves

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Jul 13, 2011
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LMM, full build, 16.5:1 fingers, carrillos, LML crank, Danville 68stg2r, dual fuelers.

I recently (few weeks ago)started getting intermittent smoking, mainly at idle. Thought it was probably time for injectors--turns out they were terrible. Replaced my 40 overs with new S&S 100s. While the shop had the truck, they found a hole in the hot side IC pipe that has apparently been there since the truck was built. Most boost I'd ever seen was around 32ish psi... little did I know I should have been seeing 40-45, according to Danville.

I told the shop who installed the injectors that I was getting some smoking that would range from absolutely no smoke, to a whispy white haze, to heavy whitish at idle. They said that it was likely a PCV issue caused by the reroute having only -4AN fittings, Tee'd together into another -4AN line, down to a fitting in the exhaust. They said the drastically undersized PCV was likely the cause of the smoke, which would likely be exacerbated by the increased boost from the 1/2" hole in the IC tubing being closed up.

I disconnected the lower fitting from the exhaust, and the heavy smoke is completely gone. It hasn't happened again since that. However, I still get the whispy white smoke at idle, when the truck is up to temp, in gear. When I pull up to a stop sign, I can look back in the mirror, and as I hear the turbo vanes shift (I'm assuming that's what causes the pitch of the exhaust to drop a few seconds after stopping, in gear, foot on brake) and then I can watch the smoke start. It's whispy, but it's much more than just a light haze. Sitting at an intersection when the wind is right it looks like somebody lit a small paper fire nearby.

It doesn't happen when the truck is cold. No smoke at all. I don't think I'm losing coolant, been monitoring for a couple days now after it was low--fairly certain it was low from not refilling after disconnecting the upper hose at the shop, but I'm continuing to monitor. No bubbles in the coolant tank when hot, running, with cap off. I'm not making oil, nor do I seem to be losing an inordinate amount. Iv'e got several leaks on the truck, and after 5,000 miles I've had to add a couple quarts--nothing that has increased recently.

My gut feeling is it's a turbo issue, after having been working like crazy to build boost for the last 35k miles since the build, with a big ass boost leak. When the vanes do their thing at idle, I think it's pushing a little bit of oil or coolant into the exhaust, causing the smoke. I'm still runnign the -4 fittings on the PCVs, going to swap them out tomorrow to the biggest brass nipple i can find with the right right NPT threads. While I'm doing that I'm going to pull the turbo elbow off and check whatever I can on the cartridge rotation and endplay. I'm taking the truck back to the shop on Friday to get a compression test done.

I'm trying to approach it systematically, hoping to pinpoint what's going on and replace/rebuild whatever is the culprit. What say y'all? Head gaskets? Turbo seals? PCV? Anything else I should check while I'm in there swapping out the -4AN fittings or the turbo cartridge?
 

monster50iii

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Gosh I wouldnt think the turbo would be hurt. Im sure Mark has the max vanes set so that the turbo cant be hurt. But, I'm not a turbo expert. I would ask Mark if I were you, he's very easy to talk to. And make sure you talk to mark, and mark only. But again, there are max vane tables, and I set them up so if I blow a boot etc, it limits the max vanes at high rpms so it can't over spool and hurt itself. Or atleast try and prevent that from happening.
 

calereeves

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Jul 13, 2011
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Interesting that you mention that-- the builder said he blew one of the boots while he was doing the original test runs. The tuning was from a guy in NC, and I don't have a clue what if any limitations he had on the vanes. I've been running Mark's tuning since not long after picking the truck up. If I had to guess, the boot that blew off was the hot side IC pipe to the turbo coupling, and that's what put the hole in the IC pipe when it hit the ABS sensor on the master cylinder. He replaced all the boots with silicone, but it's no wonder it never blew another one off--it had a permanent built-in pressure relief!
 

clrussell

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Built lmm with haze at idle? I've seen deleted stock trucks haze at idle with no explanation.

I wouldn't worry about it to much unless it's so much it's smoking out the truck at idle.
 

calereeves

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Jul 13, 2011
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The intermittent-ness of the issue is what troubles me the most. It was definitely more than what I'd consider haze.

I'm getting a compression check done on her tomorrow, and I opened up the PCV fittings today. Trafic was too heavy for me to go beat on it this afternoon, so sometime later tonight I'm going to go put 50-60 miles on it under varying load and see what she does.
 

calereeves

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Jul 13, 2011
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I'll call Mark tomorrow if the compression test is good and the compressor wheel looks good.
 

whytry

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Pay attention to rail psi at idle. Especially when the smoking is there. I've had S&S injectors we had to run 8-9k rail to clean up smoke. Great injectors just alittle dirty at idle
 

calereeves

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Jul 13, 2011
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Changing out the fittings on the PCV seems to have cleared up the smoke! Only problem is now I am, in fact, losing a little bit of water. I checked my balance rates at idle, all less that 4. When it was hot, after about 40 minutes of driving both highway, and spirited, the #1 was showing -512. I don't know if it's a connection issue, or if it's something else with the cylinder. Pressing forward with the compression test tomorrow.
 

calereeves

Displaced Texan
Jul 13, 2011
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Just to follow up--i got called into work and wasn't able to get the connotation test done when I'd planned. Just as well. The correctly sized pcv fittings completely eliminated the smoking I'd been concerned about. I ice picked the #1 injector and now all my balance rates, both hot and cold are +/- 1-2. I'm still getting a good puff of white smoke, only at startup, mainly when the temps have dropped to freezing or below. Found three culprit there.... I forgot the MIL for the glow plug codes was set to off in my tune. Guess 5 bad glow plugs on a freezing morning would do that. Just ordered 8 new. The coolant loss seems to have subsided, it was slightly over filled when I started monitoring, and after 2 weeks, it's stabilized right at the full hot line when hot.

Case closed.
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