Opinions on setting up dual lift pumps.

JD Dave

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I already have a Fass 95/150 on my truck and I bought another one that I'm going to run off a sump. I'm looking for ways to do this properly. I want to feed the CP3's seperatly and I also thought having the ability to shut one off for street use would be a plus. My thoughts are to leave the stock fuel lines for the one cp3 and run new lines up for the other one. Do I need to put another fuel cooler in? I'm also looking for ideas on how to plumb the fuel lines once I get them to the motor. I'm kind of thinking I should have bought just one big pump and went with that.
 

Subman

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I not sure why you would want to do this. I sure one big lift pump could easily feed your setup. Are you now running out of fuel with your current lift pump?
 

JD Dave

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I not sure why you would want to do this. I sure one big lift pump could easily feed your setup. Are you now running out of fuel with your current lift pump?

Sorry I should have said some more about the truck. I'm putting in a built motor, 120 over injectors and a custom set of twins. The goal will be over 1000 hp and Nathan said 1100 will be possible so I have lots of air. My thoughts were that since I already had a 95/150 if would be cheaper just to add another pump and then I'd have way more fuel then I needed. I can go to one big pump if need be. I'm in a little over me head and I'm open for suggestions.
 
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JD Dave

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I would think one big lift pump would be plenty. I have never heard of anybody running 2 lift pumps...

Trent is and that is what got me thinking. I have the motor out of my truck now and I won't have the turbo's for a quite a while so I have time to think which is dangerous. I'll probably just buy a new big pump and that will make my life easier.
 

TrentNell

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Trent is and that is what got me thinking. I have the motor out of my truck now and I won't have the turbo's for a quite a while so I have time to think which is dangerous. I'll probably just buy a new big pump and that will make my life easier.

I originally was going to do it the way your thinking , each pump feeding 1 CP3 , it is much easier to plumb them both to 1 feed line and spilt them under the hood , also i was worried about foaming , it isnt an issue , I run both pumps full time and it works great . I never drop below 5 psi on lift pump pressure even with my biggest tunes , but both my pumps are 165 gph . Here is a few pics for refresher outlet of both pumps is 1/2" , each pump has its own filter , then they "T" into a 3/4" line that runs up front to the splitter rail then split off to each cp3 , I only use 1 return line also .

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The blue rail is feed , the polished one is return .



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JD Dave

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Thanks Trent your pics and idea's helped alot. I need to go back outside and stare at my motor some more. Did you use your stock fuel cooler?
 
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SmokeShow

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sweetdiesel is the one to get with on that underhood fuel system bling trent is rocking. :cool2: Looks awesome and I'd assume it functions as good as it looks.


Later
 

JD Dave

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sweetdiesel is the one to get with on that underhood fuel system bling trent is rocking. :cool2: Looks awesome and I'd assume it functions as good as it looks.


Later

Thanks for the info. I guess since I want to keep my airconditioning I could mount the return line block on top of the compressor. I'm beginning to think I should get the truck running with a single lift pump and CP3 to aviod a lot problems since I'm new to all this.
 

sweetdiesel

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I already have a Fass 95/150 on my truck and I bought another one that I'm going to run off a sump. I'm looking for ways to do this properly. I want to feed the CP3's seperatly and I also thought having the ability to shut one off for street use would be a plus. My thoughts are to leave the stock fuel lines for the one cp3 and run new lines up for the other one. Do I need to put another fuel cooler in? I'm also looking for ideas on how to plumb the fuel lines once I get them to the motor. I'm kind of thinking I should have bought just one big pump and went with that.

I dont think you would want to turn off one pump if you run them seperate. It needs fuel to it or you would burn up the cp3 as they are cooled with fuel.

IIRC Fass pumps are 1/2" out so you would run either SS or alluminum tubing or simply just run a hose from the fass to the cp3

then run you return line seperate or T it to the stock return line
If you T it then you wouldnt need to use another fuel cooler


Personally I dont like this approach....but its not my truck:)

If you are worried about not having enough fuel I would just T it at the at the fuel tank and run one line to and from kinda like what trent did

I would probably use a check valve on one of the pumps but depending on the pump you might not need to use it

you could rig it up on a manual switch or a hobbs switch to come on with boost

the stock fuel line is 12mm slightly smaller than half inch so you will have pressure but its volume you want IMO......if you keep the hose or pipe bigger then you get the best of both worlds


I run 3/4" tubing from my fuel cell to as close as i could get to the cp3s and then into each cp3 with a 3/8s hose

return line is 1/2"( stock is not even 3/8s" ) to a Mike L cooler into the cell


Good luck
 

JD Dave

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Thanks Sweetdiesel your explanation has gave me some idea's. Does anyone know the rough dimension of a Mike L cooler? I need to go use the search function now. :D
 

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My personal opinion is it is best to run the pumps in series, and the stock 1/2" line is plenty adequate when you have a good lift pump. The inlet to the CP3 is the biggest restriction in the system, so it will cause a bottleneck that will be more restrictive than any line you are running. I'm still running the stock pickup in the tank, and I don't have any problems holding rail pressure. I've run up to 2500 uS pulse on my 80% injectors, and I was able to hold 29k psi of rail pressure.
 

sweetdiesel

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My personal opinion is it is best to run the pumps in series, and the stock 1/2" line is plenty adequate when you have a good lift pump. The inlet to the CP3 is the biggest restriction in the system, so it will cause a bottleneck that will be more restrictive than any line you are running. I'm still running the stock pickup in the tank, and I don't have any problems holding rail pressure. I've run up to 2500 uS pulse on my 80% injectors, and I was able to hold 29k psi of rail pressure.


I somewhat agree with what you are saying Josh as many people have run 1000hp+ with stock fuel lines, However the bottleneck idea I see what your saying but the problom that I see is that YES the inlet to the CP3 is small but I like the idea of having volume behind it.....If you know what I mean?

+ I like the cleaner look:D
 

JD Dave

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My personal opinion is it is best to run the pumps in series, and the stock 1/2" line is plenty adequate when you have a good lift pump. The inlet to the CP3 is the biggest restriction in the system, so it will cause a bottleneck that will be more restrictive than any line you are running. I'm still running the stock pickup in the tank, and I don't have any problems holding rail pressure. I've run up to 2500 uS pulse on my 80% injectors, and I was able to hold 29k psi of rail pressure.

How does running 2 identical pumps in series effect pressure when say the pumps are 10 psi?
 

sweetdiesel

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How does running 2 identical pumps in series effect pressure when say the pumps are 10 psi?


Say you have one pump that runs at 10 psi....now you start heavy fueling and your lift pump pressure drops to 5 psi the other pump in series will help maintain 10 psi at wot


I personally dont like that set up JMO it could be just me but I work with pumps all the time at my job and we always run big suction lines from our tanks to the pump its hardly ever the same size going in as it is going out again JMO as both ways have been proven to work its really your choice
 
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JD Dave

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Say you have one pump that runs at 10 psi....now you start heavy fueling and your lift pump pressure drops to 5 psi the other pump in series will help maintain 10 psi at wot


I personally dont like that set up JMO it could be just me but I work with pumps all the time at my job and we always run big suction lines from our tanks to the pump its hardly ever the same size going in as it is going out again JMO as both ways have been proven to work its really your choice

To keep my life simple for now I think I will run 2 pumps one off the bottom and 1 off the top and just T them in using the stock size fuel lines for now. Then after I get it running I will upgrade to bigger lines and cooler. Thanks for the idea's guys.