Methanol/Alcohol injection

[Diesel power]

Lets get a good topic started about more powerful fuels for diesel's.

Here is what im working on..

#2 Diesel fuel, Methanol or alcohol, 2-stroke oil mixed together and run thru the fuel system. in my mind will net more power and more complete combustion.

Benifits:

diesel fuel--base

Methanol/alcohol--quick and complete burning, but very volital and takes away lubricity.

2 stroke oil- much needed lubricity, and will help lower volitility of secondary fuel and will help to raise the flash or ignition point.


So what do you think?

 

[NemesisDP]

Will seperat I believe.

 

[mytmousemalibu]

Instead of 2-stroke oil, i'd sugjest a cylinder top-lube for methanol, like http://www.manhattanoil.com/top-lube.php

I swere by this stuff in our methanol powered race stuff. As said, these organic fuels are very dry and will strip oil from upper end parts, thus scoring rings, etc. Look at older build alcohol motors, they smoke and get worse with age, NONE of our motors ever smoked and cylinders, rings, pistons looked brand new, i belive that top-lube is the saving grace! So ya a lubricant added to M/W injection might be a wise idea! Now that said, methanol/alky is very hydroscopic and blends very well into water, i dont know how the top lube or substitute will blend in here? I would for sure blend it into the fuel 1st and than blend that to the water, Id give it a bit to see if it settles out. Keep in mind that there is now a petroleum component in a waterborne system, so system components and such need be kept in mind. Wouldnt hurt to check the induction after some use to see if petroleum drop out id fouling the intake tract. And IIRC, although very close chemically, Methanol has higher BTU content then alcohol or ethanol. I dont use washer fluid in mine, i mix my own with pure VP racing methanol If i find time, i have plenty of top-lube around, ill try that experiment myself aswell

 

[Stingpuller]

Alky and oil

You need to run caster bean 2 stroke oil to mix correctly.

 

[lotsofmiles]

I asked the question about reducing the lube effects of diesel back in Nov, interesting what the company making the kits said.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278305



I still think I'm buring less diesel, yes as a result of better combustion. But, lets say, if 20 miles on the highway at 70mph used to burn 1 gallon and now I go 25 miles at 70 mph and burn 1 gallon the truck has now run just over 4 minutes longer at 1600-1700 rpms in the extra 5 miles. so the engine has seen at least 6400 revolutions more(4X1600) on the same amount of diesel. The normal lube benefits of a gallon of diesel have now been spread out(or thinned out).

Go ahead and tell me I'm an idiot if the shoe fits, I hear it all the time, I'm used to it.

 

[Diesel power]

Yes a top-lube lubricant would work out nicely, which is similar to 2 stroke oil( castor oil would be another good 2-stroke oil to use) my first choice would me maxima super M followed by maxima castor oil, although we may benifit by useing a synthetic amsoil 2 stroke oil in this application as well.

this will not be injected into the air stream, but into the main injection fuel stream, my next question is how much psi can this combo take before it ignites out side of the combustion chamber????

 

[Diesel power]

i dont think it will work being injected by the injectors, too much psi and the other fuel source's will displace the diesel fuel, so it's going to be a loseing battle. air stream injection or other would be the only way i can see.

 

[super diesel]

#1. More powerful fuel means more BTUs available to burn each compression stroke = less fuel being needed to run at a specific speed or RPM making so much power. I did a long intensive test in this area back in the,,,,,, well lets just say it was back in the 80s and 90s and I've tested on the duramax as well. You need a fuel that has more power then the current diesel which is about 145K joules of energy per gallon. I don't know if methonol has this capability besides just providing an extra amount of fuel going in. I did find something back then that provided more power, more lube and took less of it to burn to make the same power (thats what were after isn't it?). I talked about this at the OLD forum, but it got derailed quickly. Here's the answer I found. The closer you get to crude oil the more BTUs it has.

 

[mytmousemalibu]

#1. More powerful fuel means more BTUs available to burn each compression stroke = less fuel being needed to run at a specific speed or RPM making so much power. I did a long intensive test in this area back in the,,,,,, well lets just say it was back in the 80s and 90s and I've tested on the duramax as well. You need a fuel that has more power then the current diesel which is about 145K joules of energy per gallon. I don't know if methonol has this capability besides just providing an extra amount of fuel going in. I did find something back then that provided more power, more lube and took less of it to burn to make the same power (thats what were after isn't it?). I talked about this at the OLD forum, but it got derailed quickly. Here's the answer I found. The closer you get to crude oil the more BTUs it has.

Hmmm, HHO or some grade of jet fuel? Heavy fuel oil?