Has anyone looked at these hydrogen boosters they look good just wondering ,maybe pickup some HP AND mpg www.wildcatbooster.com Thoughts?
LBZ: Hydrogen Booster
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Reading on their site.... they have no idea what Long term and short term fuel trims are!!
:rofl: Not even close!
:rofl: Not even close!
What are short and long trims? They claim to be covered up with installs on semi fleets. I got this info from a buddy. So they are takin everyone to the cleaners with this? 
What are short and long trims? They claim to be covered up with installs on semi fleets. I got this info from a buddy. So they are takin everyone to the cleaners with this?
Yep it's a joke, you may aswell go and buy a flux capacitor
they can produce a little better mpg with a big generator and a little motor...however the energy it takes to produce the reaction is greater then that of the gas produced so basically the're not efficient...IMO they are good to blow baloons up with thats kinda fun
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Long term and short term trims are ECM settings that gas engines use to correct A/F ratio by adjusting injector duration.
It looks at the O2 sensors, then makes quick adjustments to the Short Term settings. After a while, it incorporates the Short Term setting into Long Term settings, or when it goes past the range that short term can correct. The goal is for these trims to be close to zero.
They have nothing directly to do with fuel economy. They adjust the fuel injection for wear on the engine, errors in the tables, different gasoline quality, etc, etc. It's to maintain emission compliance throughout the life of the vehicle.
Long term and short term trims are ECM settings that gas engines use to correct A/F ratio by adjusting injector duration.
It looks at the O2 sensors, then makes quick adjustments to the Short Term settings. After a while, it incorporates the Short Term setting into Long Term settings, or when it goes past the range that short term can correct. The goal is for these trims to be close to zero.
They have nothing directly to do with fuel economy. They adjust the fuel injection for wear on the engine, errors in the tables, different gasoline quality, etc, etc. It's to maintain emission compliance throughout the life of the vehicle.
Thanks for your help, yall saved us $$$ :thumb:. We got a good laugh anyway. My buddy has a 6.4l ford and will do anything to improve his 10-12 MPG lol. He is still kicking himself for selling his LBZ. Any ideas to tell him to improve MPG. He has SCT prog and is straight piped?
About Hydrogen Generators:
Our cars and trucks are powered by chemical energy. The bonds between atoms in a molecule are where this energy comes from.
In a perfect environment, it takes X amount of energy to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen in water. Now, when you combine hydrogen and oxygen again (burning) to get water again, you get X amount of energy released. Basically, nothing is gained or lost.
But, it's not a perfect world. It actually takes more energy to break that bond than you get back from burning it. This is due to losses from heat when using electricity to break the water down.
At best, a hydrogen generator can break even.
There is also a problem with how much hydrogen you can make. Let's say you have a 60 amp circuit (monster circuit) under your hood making hydrogen. That's ~750 watts of power, or 1 horsepower. If there are no losses, you will get 1 more HP from burning that hydrogen. It simply cannot affect fuel economy at that scale, good or bad, even if the electricity was free.
Our cars and trucks are powered by chemical energy. The bonds between atoms in a molecule are where this energy comes from.
In a perfect environment, it takes X amount of energy to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen in water. Now, when you combine hydrogen and oxygen again (burning) to get water again, you get X amount of energy released. Basically, nothing is gained or lost.
But, it's not a perfect world. It actually takes more energy to break that bond than you get back from burning it. This is due to losses from heat when using electricity to break the water down.
At best, a hydrogen generator can break even.
There is also a problem with how much hydrogen you can make. Let's say you have a 60 amp circuit (monster circuit) under your hood making hydrogen. That's ~750 watts of power, or 1 horsepower. If there are no losses, you will get 1 more HP from burning that hydrogen. It simply cannot affect fuel economy at that scale, good or bad, even if the electricity was free.
Yes.. like you said, during closed loop (feedback from the o2 sensor(s)) it's trying to maintain 14.7 AFR (or whatever the ecm thinks stoich is). Once you go into open loop it disregards fuel trims and feedback from the o2 sensors completely and runs off of a handful of maps in the ecu.
Short term numbers are not very stable, constantly bouncing around. After some time the long terms will settle in and don't change around a whole lot. It's nice to see these with + / - 3% although I've seen a lot higher and the vehicle ran fine.
Anyway, not to get off on another tangent there....
Just funny because they have nothing to do with what they were trying to claim about the injectors "firing less"... which in it's own is rather funny too. They fire the same amount of times, the amount of pulsewidth is what's varied.
Good info
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I installed 2 drycell HHO generators on my 2004 6.6 diesel. From Duluth,
Minnesota to Mackinaw City,Michigan I only used a 1/2 tank of diesel fuel. Still adjusting the mix in the water tank. I use potassium hydroxide as electrolyte.
Minnesota to Mackinaw City,Michigan I only used a 1/2 tank of diesel fuel. Still adjusting the mix in the water tank. I use potassium hydroxide as electrolyte.
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