How do you defend this?
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I think the UAw will have to give in. They're paid too much to begin with. I like the idea of them being paid the same as the US run Foreign plants. No need for $25-35/hr. That's kinda why we're in this situation. IMO. I hope they're not too pig headed to see this. But they'll want all they can get. I know there would be someone willing to work at $15/ hr and have a job for those that are crying that they can't live off of that.
Can't reasonably defend it when the competition (Toyota) pays/benefits a different rate than American automakers.... And continues to pay benefits for retirees at 90% (HOLY SH*T). As well, IIRC, big 3 pay 95% of payroll AND benefits while a UAW employee sits on the bench??? Essentially if you are a UAW member you get atleast 90% of payroll and benefits working or not... anybody here have a job like that????? I think not.
Although the failure and downfall of the big 3 may be tough to swallow and catastrophic... sometimes the system is so irevocably broken the entire system must be purged in an effort to "get right". Labor is probably the largest part of the puzzle, sure GM can chop overhead/executives... but there is only 200 of them... UAW has 75,000 + employees...
If i drink to much booze i have to puke sooner or later....... the UAW/GM MUST puke to survive.
Although the failure and downfall of the big 3 may be tough to swallow and catastrophic... sometimes the system is so irevocably broken the entire system must be purged in an effort to "get right". Labor is probably the largest part of the puzzle, sure GM can chop overhead/executives... but there is only 200 of them... UAW has 75,000 + employees...
If i drink to much booze i have to puke sooner or later....... the UAW/GM MUST puke to survive.
Are you kidding? I wouldn't even get out of bed for less than that
Try living off of $400 a week and you may feel differently, I don't knonw how people do it
could not have said it better James. I LOVE GM as much as any other enthusiast but, as if it weren't already bad enough they've let themselves be in this situation begging the gov't for help, it's absolutely obsurd to agree to terms of this bailout and then not make it and try, yet again, to have the terms altered. Honestly, I'm ALL FOR accountability and if they can't, LET 'EM SINK and start over or be done. It's really getting rediculous!
I just can't understand the UAW at all. Do the actual employees NOT have the actual say but rather an elected head of the UAW making the decisions for all of the employees??? That is a democracy and it chows the flaw to that type of system - the voice that's heard may not be that of the people in which it's representing. Point in case, I really doubt that if it came to a $5/hr cut in pay or HAVE NO JOB, that anyone in their right mind would elect to have no job. Especially right now while jobs aren't so plentiful but pool of people looking for one is staggeringly high. Just find it very unlikely that the employees would rather the company go bankrupt or close the doors and them completely be out of a job than to take a pay cut. Not buying it. The head of the UAW needs a swift smack to the back of the head to get him thinking properly before he F's up the lives of some 75K+ people. He clearly must not have much to lose without his job or he'd be submitting to every request without so much as a peep of controversy.
That's some of my thinking on the subject. I got tired of typing and didn't feel like continueing on with my ranting.
I just can't understand the UAW at all. Do the actual employees NOT have the actual say but rather an elected head of the UAW making the decisions for all of the employees??? That is a democracy and it chows the flaw to that type of system - the voice that's heard may not be that of the people in which it's representing. Point in case, I really doubt that if it came to a $5/hr cut in pay or HAVE NO JOB, that anyone in their right mind would elect to have no job. Especially right now while jobs aren't so plentiful but pool of people looking for one is staggeringly high. Just find it very unlikely that the employees would rather the company go bankrupt or close the doors and them completely be out of a job than to take a pay cut. Not buying it. The head of the UAW needs a swift smack to the back of the head to get him thinking properly before he F's up the lives of some 75K+ people. He clearly must not have much to lose without his job or he'd be submitting to every request without so much as a peep of controversy.
That's some of my thinking on the subject. I got tired of typing and didn't feel like continueing on with my ranting.
Are you kidding? I wouldn't even get out of bed for less than that
I don't make a whole lot more than that a week... talking net pay here. And consequently, you're right, it gets tight at times with me being the only income of the household for the time being. But we do make it and I don't feel like we do without a lot. In fact, we could stand to do some cutting back on some "luxuries".
C-ya
I hear ya about the wage at 25-30 an hour... I started out as a ditch digger and block hoddie.
Head of household knocking down $1000 (25-30 hr) a week shouldn't be seeing $400 after taxes... unless his wife makes over 200K annual and they file jointly.... Oh to have that problem. Yes mistress, no mistress... can i rub your feet my leis....:joker:
Head of household knocking down $1000 (25-30 hr) a week shouldn't be seeing $400 after taxes... unless his wife makes over 200K annual and they file jointly.... Oh to have that problem.
Yes mistress, no mistress... can i rub your feet my leis....:joker:
I've always thought that the unions have become a "company" itself. The only way a union gets "income" is thru dues....which coincidentally are a % of hourly pay. So it stands to reason that the union would never support reducing the employee wages temporarily, even if that meant the company would go belly-up, because they'd be reducing their income, which means the leadership would (heaven forbid) have to also take a drastic paycut. Usually Union leadership are "fat cats" themselves...look at Hoffa (Teamsters).
The union leadership is so completely out of touch with what the membership truly needs and wants because the leadership is only concerned with keeping their jobs any way they can.
The UAW has to face facts. They cant continue the way they have. Its just not possible. They are now competing with workers in 3rd world countries that would be grateful to make $5/day, and companies that have no problem with hiring said cheap workers, and then importing the products into the USA.
The only way I can see that the Detroit 3 can even make it work any more here is to get Congress to add tariffs to imports that would make the costs to the mfg the same as if they made their product here. That is what other countries do to us.
The union leadership is so completely out of touch with what the membership truly needs and wants because the leadership is only concerned with keeping their jobs any way they can.
The UAW has to face facts. They cant continue the way they have. Its just not possible. They are now competing with workers in 3rd world countries that would be grateful to make $5/day, and companies that have no problem with hiring said cheap workers, and then importing the products into the USA.
The only way I can see that the Detroit 3 can even make it work any more here is to get Congress to add tariffs to imports that would make the costs to the mfg the same as if they made their product here. That is what other countries do to us.
Let's keep this thread as civil as possible.
This is as close to "politics" as we permit here, since it's Duramax related.
No name calling, etc. Last thread like this didn't go well.
This is as close to "politics" as we permit here, since it's Duramax related.
No name calling, etc. Last thread like this didn't go well.
PS - Like I posted before, I was UAW for 6 years, and the union supported the closure of the plant I worked at, Rockwell Defense Electronics. They got their way. To say I have a poor opinion of UAW officers would be charitable.
Yes Sir.
Respectfully i thought we had been talking about the state of affairs (financially) between UAW and the Big 3. Not about the UAW specifically and what they are or are not doing for employees.
I have never understood how an employee can be entitled to 90% or their pay when they have been laid off and this is for an extended period of time. This is unreal and adds a lot of money to the cost of autos.
I can assure you that aerospace workers who are a lot higher skilled than most of the auto assy workers don't get such a deal when they get laid off and neither does anyone else.
I can assure you that aerospace workers who are a lot higher skilled than most of the auto assy workers don't get such a deal when they get laid off and neither does anyone else.
Sounds pretty familure bud! I have the same budget, sometimes less, fluctuates, the beauty of flat rate pay and slow biz. I only have me and the GF but i have more than enough debt. Sucks the big one, its the biggest reason im stressed all the time.
On the UAW...
So far i agree with all said comments. Honestly, and as bad as it sounds, Let the big 3 all file bankruptcy, Goverment bailouts arnt the awnser, then gov gets a hand in how things go and our nations fianances are even worse off. Let them go, they'll be forced to cut down alot to stay alive and lose the big draws on finances like UAW. Guys these are BIG huge corperations, there not goin to dissapear, they'll have to restructure, likly private investors will take up ownership and get things running efficiantly and un-frivilously and over a short span of time have the auto companys back in a much better shape.
Just my views
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