Halon for fire systems:

McRat

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Halon 1301 is what you want to use to put out an engine fire. It is the most effective of any fire system. At 6% concentration to air, it will stop all A:B:C fires. It takes 34% concentration of CO2 to put out just B:C fires. 10% CO2 can kill you, 15% Halon won't. Both CO2 and Halon are clean and won't leave a residue or hurt electrics. All the new Halon replacements are more money, and less effective. The hotter the fire is, the better Halon works, which is reverse of the other popular extinguishers. Since we have very hot engines, it works to our advantage.

Halon works by interfering with the chemical reaction of the fire. Specifically, it bonds with the free hydrogen to make it harder to keep a fire going, if I understand the chemistry right.

You can also spray Halon into the intake to shut off the engine.

If you can carry only 5 lbs of extinguisher, it is the best choice. Aircraft and military were the first big users since weight to performance is important.

Halon 1211 comes out of the nozzle as a liquid, so it's best for handheld extinguishers, or where you need a longer distance from the nozzle to the fire.

SFI now won't rate Halon as a valid extinguishing agent due to political correctness, since Halon is ozone depleting. But it seems most race organizations aren't necessarily following their policy.
 

dmaxfireman

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i don't know of any places that still issue halon extinguishers. do you guys have them out west still??????????????? the only ones i've ever come by through work have been old ones that haven't been used since the ban for being "environmentally unfriendly" :eek:
 

dmaxfireman

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they were very popular in the 80's when computers first come out. When the computer was the size of a good sized house and cost as much or more they wanted to put out a fire with doing as little damage as possible to the electronics as possible. So halon was used instead of sprinklers. Just hope they told the IT guys to hold their breath when the halon dump alarms went off :D
 

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Mmmmmm..... Halon

1301 in 2 five pound bottles is what the aircraft I fly has for engine fire extinguishing.

I also had a halon system on my boat. It was a factory option in 95, I'm not sure of the legality of it now. The indicator said the system was charged, so I didn't mess with it. I figured, it's good insurance in case a fuel line pops off.
 

McRat

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Mmmmmm..... Halon

1301 in 2 five pound bottles is what the aircraft I fly has for engine fire extinguishing.

I also had a halon system on my boat. It was a factory option in 95, I'm not sure of the legality of it now. The indicator said the system was charged, so I didn't mess with it. I figured, it's good insurance in case a fuel line pops off.

As far as I know, there is no limitation on using Halon fire systems in the US at all. You just can't produce new Halon chemicals.

There is an International Halon Bank that has enough Halon to keep recharging existing systems for 200 years. When manufacturing Halon stopped, there were huge amounts of it in Europe. Most is sold to companies in the US.

It's not going away anytime soon. Ideally, Halon won't be released into the atmosphere except to save lives and property, and much of it gets "converted" when it's used. It changes chemically in the presence of fire.
 
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McRat

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The reason I posted this, was there is a thread on another diesel board I'm not allow to post at, with a bunch of misinformation in it.

One of the comments was actually comedy:

Steve Cole: "Carbon Dioxide extinguishers leave a heavy residue, and should be avoided." or something to that effect. What a maroon.

:confused:

The problem is, when discussing safety equipment, you need the RIGHT information. There was more misinformation in that thread than real info, and that means someone could get hurt.
 

McRat

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they were very popular in the 80's when computers first come out. When the computer was the size of a good sized house and cost as much or more they wanted to put out a fire with doing as little damage as possible to the electronics as possible. So halon was used instead of sprinklers. Just hope they told the IT guys to hold their breath when the halon dump alarms went off :D

The concentrations have to get really high to harm people, 6% stops the fire, 15% impairs your motor skills. CO2 is more dangerous in confined spaces, since it concentrations you need to stop fires is lethal to humans. But more importantly, the #1 thing to do in a fire is to get everyone out first, then fight the fire.
 

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We had Halon protected areas at a place I worked at. The doors would automatically lock if the system went off to keep the gas contained, but this would trap the workers in the area. There were respirators everywhere on the walls and training on their use was a very frequent task....
 

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Conventional Powder dispensing A B C extinguishers. What are they charged with? CO2 or N2?
 

dmaxfireman

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Conventional Powder dispensing A B C extinguishers. What are they charged with? CO2 or N2?

depends... they are usually marked very clearly when they are no2. we keep no2 charged extinguishers on the outside of our trucks so in winter time they still work. old timers say the co2 ones would freeze up in really cold weather?

i learn something new every day i go to work :hug: