Global Warming Not So Hot?

McRat

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Two new major developments this week. A long term NASA study shows global warming is less than advertised. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/29/data-cooling-on-global-warming/

And the #1 Save The Polar Bears Guru is in hot water, not the polar bears themselves. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...her-under-investigation-for-integrity-issues/

This is happening with increasing frequency. More and more "scientists" who make a good living off promoting the global warming theory are getting debunked by impartial sources.

There are lots of good reasons for using less fossil fuels, but keeping a select group of government funded leeches employed isn't one of them...
 

ecc_33

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i agree 100% Just lining peoples pockets with tons of yours and my money like Al Gore :mad: Its all a government scam if you ask me. Crooked ass government is all it is.
 

CancerPipe

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Most people just need a reason. Temperatures are up lately. Must be global warming, right? It was a sound idea that has been blown completely out of proportion.
 

baggedLB7

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No way I don't believe it why would the gov lie to us that's like saying we are being taken advantage of by the gas companys its just not true.







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What a crock of shit

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MWDHAND

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Most people just need a reason. Temperatures are up lately. Must be global warming, right? It was a sound idea that has been blown completely out of proportion.


Temps are up lately? Not in Calgary the last couple of years. We have had the worst summers since I moved here in '95!! Global warming my ass!!
 

TeaBagger2006

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i believe it. im experiencing it as i type. sweating, 100+*, and paranoid.

and no, its not because i live in vegas and its summer...

:rofl:
 

Bryce418

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i believe it. im experiencing it as i type. sweating, 100+*, and paranoid.

and no, its not because i live in vegas and its summer...

:rofl:

It's hot in Vegas during the summer?????

That being said I have to take it with a grain of salt considering the source. (I rarely take fix news or msnbc etc. without consideration)
I won't say they lie but they seem to be suspiciously good at missing details that really change the story.

As for global warming, first it's a name that misrepresents the actual issue. There are very few scientists who deny the existence of climate change. (incidentally a much better description than warming)
The real argument in my mind is the extent and cause of this, I think there is exaggeration on both sides of the issue but enough data to support carbon emission as a contributor.
Denying the existence of changes is silly, or even worse is the Bachman/Limbaugh theory if it's natural, therefore it can't be bad. If you subscribe to that I recommend arsenic after all it's natural so it can't be bad.
 

McRat

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It's hot in Vegas during the summer?????

That being said I have to take it with a grain of salt considering the source. (I rarely take fix news or msnbc etc. without consideration)
I won't say they lie but they seem to be suspiciously good at missing details that really change the story.

As for global warming, first it's a name that misrepresents the actual issue. There are very few scientists who deny the existence of climate change. (incidentally a much better description than warming)
The real argument in my mind is the extent and cause of this, I think there is exaggeration on both sides of the issue but enough data to support carbon emission as a contributor.
Denying the existence of changes is silly, or even worse is the Bachman/Limbaugh theory if it's natural, therefore it can't be bad. If you subscribe to that I recommend arsenic after all it's natural so it can't be bad.

It's not a Fox exclusive or editorial, those are just easy links. Nor is the subject of academic/scientific dishonestly a new idea to this issue. Heck, our chief CARB scientist in CA was found to be a fraud not too long ago.

That being said, it's well documented that human activity causes local climate change. It's well documented that CO2 absorbs/emits infrared radiation (heat). It's well documented that CO2 production is on the rise, and atmospheric CO2 has climbed.

Does that mean that human CO2 production today is causing global climate change? An honest scientist who is looking at just data would say "not enough data, but whatever changes are happening are small compared to historic changes prior to the industrial age." Come on, North America has ocean fossils in the middle of the freakin' deserts, and half way up mountains.

But some things to ponder when looking at the actual data, not opinions:

For every man, woman, and child living today, there is over 1,700,000,000 lbs of air. At current levels of CO2 production, it will take ~2,000 years to increase the CO2 content of our atmosphere to 1%, which is still probably not enough increase to worry about. Assuming of course the ecosystem and oceans don't absorb it.

Water vapor is the #1 infrared absorber, not CO2. Changes in humidity make man-made changes in CO2 levels statistically invalid. Kind of like spitting into a bathtub and measuring the temperature change, verses turning on the hot-water tap.

Space is freakin' cold. REALLY freakin' cold. Most our heat is lost in space. Attempts at heating up the atmosphere with small levels of CO2 aren't going to work well because of it. They try to convince us that the CO2 "traps" heat in the atmosphere like a "greenhouse". You talk about fundamental dishonesty? That's so bad it should burn their tongues as they say it. There is nothing holding the heat in. Ever wonder why it's freaking cold at 20,000'? The attic insulation sucks.
 

sweetdiesel

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It was + 57c ( 134 F ) in Kurdistan Iraq the other day, It has thankfully cooled down to a mild 51c ( 124 F )

You know its hot, when the Iraqi's are complaining:D
 

tgebes

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With respect to this discussion, one should really consider whats at stake. If we continue with current trends and make no changes we could find ourselvs in real trouble. I don't think that any person would argue and say that there is enough data to support either way but, probably the best argument for global warming is it doesnt matter. Even if we are wrong with current climate change theories, and develop our alternative energies it is not really wasted effort. It's also probably germane to metion that we will need to eventually develop these technologies/infrastructure so why not do it now rather than later. We will eventually run of oil, be it now in 60 years or 100 years.

That is my 2 cents, I probably need change back