Mike i havent broken this one yet but ive been thinking if i do would it be better to go back with 2 instead of 1?? And if we cant do that then why
Flexplate breakers
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You are going to have to do things properly as designed by the engineers that designed this shit or live with your failures. Seat of the pants technology does not work anymore. If you are going to attempt to improve on what these engineers have done, you must use what they gave you as a base and improve on that. You are not educated enough to out think these guys. Yet.
Go to school, improve your spelling so that you can properly get your thoughts across in writing. Try and see what the engineer was trying to do with whatever design you are looking at and then see how you can take that design and make it better. Never think that you know better untill the time comes, if ever, that you really do. Then you can brag.
Go to school, improve your spelling so that you can properly get your thoughts across in writing. Try and see what the engineer was trying to do with whatever design you are looking at and then see how you can take that design and make it better. Never think that you know better untill the time comes, if ever, that you really do. Then you can brag.
Mike i am just trying to think outside the box. There are plenty of people having flexplate problems and no one seems to want to cure them. I have broken 3 so far by my self and its getting old to keep pulling the tranny out. I follow all steps and torque them down how they should be. Ive ran 4 bolts i ran 6 bolts and ive ran 8 bolts. To be honest when i ran 4 bolts the flexplate has lastested alot longer. Can u try to come up with a cure for us guys that keep breaking them. I know you will probley say get billit. But i dont wanna start breaking other hard parts. A flex plate needs to flex if its solid what eles will let go?
You should only run the billet flexplate sold by ATS with an ATS Torque Converter. Mix and Match has caused problems for several people running both SC and PI converters.
Like Mike said, DO IT BY THE BOOK!!
Take extra care in your disassembly and assembly technique. This will save you alot of headaches later. NOBODY should break flexplates with a stock torque converter if it was installed properly using new bolts and the proper torque procedure-especially in a 2wd truck! Unless of course, there is a bigger issue that has yet to reveal itself or has been accidently overlooked.
Keep plugging away Kurt, sooner or later you will get it to work for ya!!
Like Mike said, DO IT BY THE BOOK!!
Take extra care in your disassembly and assembly technique. This will save you alot of headaches later. NOBODY should break flexplates with a stock torque converter if it was installed properly using new bolts and the proper torque procedure-especially in a 2wd truck! Unless of course, there is a bigger issue that has yet to reveal itself or has been accidently overlooked.
Keep plugging away Kurt, sooner or later you will get it to work for ya!!
Not to speak for Mike, but IIRC he has no issues with the stock flexplate.
Kurt your flexplate problems are because YOU are doing something wrong. Installing it, torquing it, etc...I dont know. But the fact is not a lot of people are having problems with these. You have a stock trans/converter, engine, and turbo. I know you said you are making like 550hp with this setup, but even then you still should not be breaking the flexplates.
You said you are following all the proper procedures..... since when is running 4 bolts, 6 bolts, 5 converter bolts instead of 6, and torquing them to 130 ft lbs instead of 44 ft lbs "proper procedure"????????
You are absolutely sure you have the dowel pins in the bell housing to rear engine cover?? I dont think you do, or one is misaligned. Because the problems you are having are all symptoms of missing/broken dowel pins, or the trans is not bolted up properly to the engine.
I dont know what else to tell you...I dont think anyone else does either.
ben
You cant put two together . The inner 6" circle wont fit in second flex . It is exactly the thickness of plate to big and wont settle in together . 1/8 " seperates them and wont work .
How do I know Ive tried and looked at same idea . Wont fit and you cant machine it . It would defeat the purpose and make weak .
Go with aftermarket flex .
Johnny
Could you have possibly wiped out your converter in the process of breaking all these flexplates? You could be putting flexplates back on a bad converter and this is causing them to break
First of all..if there was never a problem with flex plates, then would an aftermarket solution even exist?
Is anyone else pulling that is making the 2wd hp that you are? I don't think that hp or torque alone is breaking flexplate. I think it is the fact you are putting tons of stress through the drivetrain, and possibly getting a harsher vibration over a longer period of time that a drag racer or a 4 wheel drive puller. I am wondering if there isn't a little torque converter lockup sudder taking place causing the flexplate added stress. Not to mention I think your truck tires may go from spin to hook up much harder than 4x4 trucks that would have the transfer case that would remove that stress as well as lessen the back feed from the rear tires to the trans and therefore serve as an insulator so to speak.
I think you are going much more direct from motor to the rear wheels and paying the price for it.
BTW remember that his 550 rwhp is not spinning near the mass that a 4x4 truck would spin, esp a CCLB configuration.
Why would an ATS trans w/ a Suncoast Flexplate matter? The done took the flex out of it from what I have seen.
If I were you I would run a Banks Flex plate. :baby:
JMO on the situation, otherwise IDK anything.
Is anyone else pulling that is making the 2wd hp that you are? I don't think that hp or torque alone is breaking flexplate. I think it is the fact you are putting tons of stress through the drivetrain, and possibly getting a harsher vibration over a longer period of time that a drag racer or a 4 wheel drive puller. I am wondering if there isn't a little torque converter lockup sudder taking place causing the flexplate added stress. Not to mention I think your truck tires may go from spin to hook up much harder than 4x4 trucks that would have the transfer case that would remove that stress as well as lessen the back feed from the rear tires to the trans and therefore serve as an insulator so to speak.
I think you are going much more direct from motor to the rear wheels and paying the price for it.
BTW remember that his 550 rwhp is not spinning near the mass that a 4x4 truck would spin, esp a CCLB configuration.
Why would an ATS trans w/ a Suncoast Flexplate matter? The done took the flex out of it from what I have seen.
If I were you I would run a Banks Flex plate. :baby:
JMO on the situation, otherwise IDK anything.
Why not give factory specs a try instead of your own stupid ideas? You have more problems with anything you do than 20 truck owners put together. I am really tired of your problems because you choose to do it your way and your ideas do not work. You posted that you tried 8 converter bolts when there are only 6 holes.WTF You posted you torqued a converter bolt 130lb.BS It would have snapped. It didn't happen. You screwed it up. I have 1000 hp trucks out there with no flex plate problems and you have a piss ant 2WD, with less drivetrain stress breaking flexplates. You need discipline and education. You have neither and you need it.
I did not mean to blast you here and am willing to help you, but your ways are wrong. With your work habits, you would not last 5 minutes in my shop.
Either you will hate my guts for this or you will make a change. I don't waste my time with long posts unless I think I can help.
I think that 2WD could cause more stress on the trans, TC and flex plate, especially since you don't have low and are relying on the TC to take the abuse of getting the weight moving. Also Travis may be onto something with the TC causing the problems. But most of all as Mike said what you are saying and what you are saying you are doing are not lining up. I've heard of TC bolts coming loose and even having a few come out of a truck that made low 13 second passes and had no flexplate problems. I also know of trucks with 700+hp running stock flexplates with no problems. I have cut 1.69 60' times launching in 2nd with no problems. Do the stuff to the book's specs (or even better Mike's specs the few times they differ from the book). Billet plates are made to meet SFI specs for the RPMs you turn. At your power level I know you aren't turning RPMs that need one and shouldn't be breaking flex plates.
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2WD causes less stress and that is a fact. Reread your post and think about what is not happeneing in a 2WD as compared to a 4X4 as far as stress goes.
I agree. My truck may be 4x4 but it gets beat in 2wd 98% of the time. When its in 2wd the transfer case is disengaged and the same as a 2wd truck
Mike then tell me what i should do correct specs if u want me go in a star pattern what ever i will do it tommorw and report back if i have a problem I will start by puttig all the bolts in the flywheel and flexplate. Tell me torque specs and everything eles
It has been posted multiple times. Look in the past 2 or 3 threads you've started about breaking your flex plate; it's in there. I even posted the converter bolt torque specs in your 5 converter bolt thread.
Josh i want to here it from mike his self what everything should be at. So if or when it breaks again he cant go saying that i dont know what im doing i have tryed everything. Niko has giveing me all the torque specs on it before i done it and it broke. I can assure u that the flexplate is on the dial pins correctly. I am not that stupit i mean come one guys for someone that can tear a allison complety apart and put in back together without a book must know a little something. So im willing to give this thing 1 more shot. Give me all the torque specs. The pattern used and everything. I can assure u that i have already done it the way u are going to tell me. But i will do it that way again just to let it break. Its got a new converter so that shouldnt be the cause of it.
Why don't you follow the correct torquing procedures? (FYI, you can pick up a torque angle meter from Auto Zone for $10)
Kurt Mike said to do it by GM specs go back and read his post 12,We have posted this many many time really hard to help you, Who is Niko person that gave you specs I guess the one's I posted from the good old General is not good enough.
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Henery niko works for gm he gave me the specs when my first one broke. I appericate you posting yours. But i have already had them and tryed them. They didnt work so i threw them away and starting trying some of my other technics. There not working either along with GM's I appericate you taking the time looking them up for me but im clueless. The way everyone puts it in writing im a dumbass. Im almost ready to send my tranny to mike L just to have him do it do see if i break it Which i can almost promise i will. I dont see how nasty girl you casper steve or any others havent broken any of theres.