Fast Learn for trans using EFI Live

JD Dave

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The reason why I love this place is because of guys like Jason. I asked him about fast learn and how do it and he sent me this. I also asked him if there was a different memory between TH 4wd low and TH 2wd? Thanks Jason.

You're not a pain - Don't worry about it!! We've ALL been here; seriously!

Ok, fast learn is done using the flashscan plugged into the laptop and the truck with the truck running.

Start the efilive scan tool program. Start logging as normal with (the controller doesn't yet matter - even though you're doing a tranny thing you can have selected the LMM controller; that way you don't have to change or mess with PIDs everytime you do the fast learn!).
Now when you start 'logging' ( you can even use the yellow button instead of the red so it doesn't 'save' anything).
Now while you're logging choose the DVT tab...
Select LBZ/LMM Allison TCM
Press Activate
The first set of tabs on that page you will see is the 'adapts' tab.
What I have been taught to do is select the top three on the left....
1. Clear All Adapts To Fast (Instant)
2. Clear All Adapts To Fast + Base (Instant)
3. Clear All Garage Shift Adapts to Fast + Base
Check all of those three.
Then press the "Clear" button on all three checked values.
It's kind of weird but, you have to check the box, and THEN press clear to make it happen, there was times I didn't do both and wound up changing nothing.

That's it... Your tranny is in fast learn mode!
The first thing I do is put it in reverse, and then immediately into drive... it's GOING to feel weird and sometimes clunk, but definitely lurch.

What I do is when I change tunes I do a fast learn.
Then i do 3 1/3 throttle runs between all gears, and then 3 2/3 throttle runs between all gears, and then full out 3 runs in all gears (if you're running a big tune and stock trans, careful with this, I let off on the 4-5 shift) - Then put it in tow haul mode and do the exact same thing (they base themselves off of 2 different shift programs and both have to learn the new power).

I only do that fast learn if I've added alot of power or changed something pretty drastically in the tune. If I've only added a little fuel and I'm on the same base tune as I was running before I won't bother.
If I add quite a bit, or change something pretty drastically (or someone sends me a tune to try and I don't know how the truck will react) I fast learn.

As for the different memory maps, that's a great question!! I wish I knew, but, I BELIEVE the only separate memory I've seen is between the modes rather than between the 2 or 4 wheel drives... I know the shift points are different through the TCM map but I've never heard of different adaptive cells between different wheel drives.
Looking at my trans tune adaptive presets (tap presets) it shows regular mode and tow haul mode having separate presets but that being the only 2 adaptive cells used.

Sorry so long winded, if you need anything else let me know!
 
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I did it that way also, but, I checked the 4th box on the top row and cleared it also. Was that 4th one needed?

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Cougar281

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That's not the actual fast learn procedure. The fast learn procedure can only be done with a Tech2 at this time, and involves the TCM engaging and disengaging clutches while the truck is parked.
 

Jasondt2001

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That's not the actual fast learn procedure. The fast learn procedure can only be done with a Tech2 at this time, and involves the TCM engaging and disengaging clutches while the truck is parked.

That's news to me, sorry Dave!
Just when you think you've got it all figured out:hug:
 

stacks04

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from what i know about fast learn is the tcm will select different gears and monitor the slip speed of the input shaft speed. by doing this it gets a baseline for the pressure to clamp the clutch packs for the selected gearing. it does it in park, in reverse and drive. it requires 4 upshifts at a steady mph to complete the learn.

if i am wrong please correct me, as i always wondered if this was right.
 

coker6303

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I thought fast learn could be started by clicking "reset TAPS" when loading a tune on the TCM? Am I wrong?
 

Cougar281

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from what i know about fast learn is the tcm will select different gears and monitor the slip speed of the input shaft speed. by doing this it gets a baseline for the pressure to clamp the clutch packs for the selected gearing. it does it in park, in reverse and drive. it requires 4 upshifts at a steady mph to complete the learn.

if i am wrong please correct me, as i always wondered if this was right.

That is correct.

I thought fast learn could be started by clicking "reset TAPS" when loading a tune on the TCM? Am I wrong?

Clearing the TAPS with EFILive puts it in fast adapt mode, which is not the same as fast learn. As Stacks explained, "Fast learn" will apply clutches while in Park, Drive and Reverse, to learn the clutch volumes, with several steady throttle 3-4 shifts to fine tune the last clutch volume (C3, I believe; could be wrong on that one) to complete the cycle. All "Fast Adapt" does is make larger adjustments to the TAP cells while learning. Once it goes into "Slow Adapt" mode, it makes much smaller adjustments to the TAPS cells. "Fast Learn" will generally get the TAPs MUCH closer to where they need to be before you drive the truck, requiring less time in "Fast Adapt" mode.

Life is all about learning.

Absolutely.
 
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stacks04

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That is correct.



Clearing the TAPS with EFILive puts it in fast adapt mode, which is not the same as fast learn. As Stacks explained, "Fast learn" will apply clutches while in Park, Drive and Reverse, to learn the clutch volumes, with several steady throttle 3-4 shifts to fine tune the last clutch volume (C3, I believe; could be wrong on that one) to complete the cycle. All "Fast Adapt" does is make larger adjustments to the TAP cells while learning. Once it goes into "Slow Adapt" mode, it makes much smaller adjustments to the TAPS cells. "Fast Learn" will generally get the TAPs MUCH closer to where they need to be before you drive the truck, requiring less time in "Fast Adapt" mode.



Absolutely.

once in fast learn mode the adapts are left in fast adapt mode. they make some big changes and it learns. my truck is weird, if you put it in fast learn mode then drive the truck like it says you can watch the tech 2 data change but never feel the changes until you shut the truck down and restart it. not sure why it does this. i can drive home 16 miles mostly back roads and pull into my driveway with it shifting like a tard. shut it down come back out 10 mins later to leave and it shifts like a dream. weird.
 
Ross thinks that we might be able to develop a fast learn procedure into our software. However given the complex multi-step processes that are required it's beyond the capability of our V7 software. We will look at this when our V8 software is fully functional, however it's not going to be a high priority.

Cheers
Cindy
 

22eco

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I know this is the EFI section but I have HPT... has any one ever done this with HPT? how long does it take to relearn the power on its own? becaue my truck now shifts like a kid trying to drive a manual..
 

kenny

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I cannot get this to work at all???:confused: I get an error message that says The PIDs are not correct and it denies connecting to the TCM??? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.:)
 

kenny

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error on TCM

This should help you guys understand whats happening a little better. Gonna snap shot another one that follows this one. Its called the error message report. Thanks again.

Kenny

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kenny

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Thanks for the reply Cindy. I was gonna post a pic of the error message too but I cannot get the same message to pop up that I was trying to explain. Tis pretty weird that a day goes by and the program works now??? IDK...lol.

thanks for the helpful suggestion though.:hug: If I can get it to happen again I will be sure to post it up.;)

Thank you,
Kenny