factory head unit question.

lddrew

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I figure there are a lot of electronically/technologically inclined folks on this site. So I thought I might repost here and see if i can get answers

Okay. So I've been told that if your hu did not come with xm then your basically screwed as far as an aux input goes.
So I was doing some behind the dash work and pulled mine out. Here is the back of my hu. The big connector is where the factory harness goes.
My question is what is the smaller connector on the left for??. There was NO harness connected to this port




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lddrew

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Thank you for the help, I am curious though. Do you know of an adapter that is just the 12 pin to auxilliary?? i do not need to retain the cd changer function or XM as I have neither of those on the truck.

Thanks
 

TheBac

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I guess it all depends on what you plan to do. If you want to hook up an Ipod, there are adapters made for that. You'll have to start searching Google for it.

The C2 plug itself is GM part number 15305996: https://acdelcooutlet.com/index.php/pt1128.html
There is also a harness that would give you longer leads, its used for the aux CD changer in Denalis, part number 15312903. I could not find a pic of it.
 

lddrew

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I do not want the ipod hookup as they are more expensive and I listen on my smartphone.

let me be clear here though. i DO NOT have XM radio or a CD changer in this truck. and that's what everyone keeps telling me i have to have
 

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Guess I didnt know what you were getting at. You dont have to have XM or CD changer for the Aux to work. Just have to have the wiring harness going into the radio.

I have both XM and a remote CD changer hooked into that harness together and they work exactly as they should.

DuraToTheMax (Ben) is the resident expert on things like this.
 

lddrew

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See my thing is, the C2 slot was just empty. the big harness goes in on the right, and the c2 as you called it was empty. I want to know what it will take to go from my c2 to a 3.5mm audio input.
 

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i pm'd ben a few days ago on another issue and never heard back. i guess i'll send him a link to this thread and see if he has any ideas.
 

lddrew

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i just do not understand for the life of me how that bunch of cheap wire and a simple circuit board can cost 75 dollars. it looks like 5 bucks worth of junk
 

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It might be "5 bucks worth of junk"...but the R&D costs a fortune. Nobody understands this about electronics, and I dont think anyone ever will understand/appreciate what goes into them unless they actually get into the field themselves. I have only come to appreciate this much more as I design my truck electronic modules. I have literally hundred and hundreds of hours into designing/engineering/coding/testing/trial/error in my lockup controller for example....and my lockup controller doesnt even have to communicate on the truck's data bus! (so multiply that couple hundred hours by 5, at least, to write all the software to speak Class 2 to the rest of the truck)

Its NOT JUST A "SWITCH". You can make a "radio C2 to RCA input" cable....but its not gonna do diddly unless there is a factory auxiliary module (such as a remote denali/escalade CD changer, factory XM or factory rear-seat entertainment/DVD) telling the radio "yes, im here, you can enable the aux input".

The radio is not going to enable to input by itself if theres no factory device installed in the truck that will be using it, for obvious reasons.

Now, obviously, those aftermarket modules arent "a factory XM, cd changer, dvd box"...so what they have to do is design a mini computer in the module that makes the factory radio THINK its hooked up to a factory auxiliary module. It has to communicate with the rest of the truck, ALL of the modules, and speak ALL of the correct messages on the databus. If it sends out a wrong message on the data bus, it could do everything from accidentally make the driver side window go down, to even shutting the engine off.

So if you're making a module that talks on the databus, you damn well better make sure your software code is bulletproof and doesnt have any bugs/glitches. All of this debugging/testing/etc takes hundreds of hours, and the companies that are making these modules have to pay software engineers (who generally command a pretty good paycheck) full-time to design them.

And then theres the information about the Class 2 databus specific messages....its PROPRIETARY. IE, GM will not just give out the computer code that "makes the radio turn on the auxiliary input". You cant just take a factory XM module and "download the file, and then copy/paste into your own aux input widget". You have to either:

A) spend dozens of hours in the truck listening to the databus with your laptop, trying to decipher WHICH of the (hundreds of messages per second that pass over the databus) is the correct "enable aux input" message that the XM module is sending to the radio. Reverse engineering from scratch, basically. Like trying to break radio-transmission codes during world war II. Then, once you've found that, you have to build your aux-input modules extra operating software around that code, and make sure the software is stable and wont crash....which, as I said before, if your aux input module crashes, it could do really bad things to the truck.

B) buy the white-papers from GM. I think they sell them for like $50,000/year

So you can see that, sure...might physically be "5 dollars of junk", but the R&D and software in that module is NOT "5 dollars of junk".

Hopefully that will help people better understand WHY they are paying $50 for "just an aux input" :)

Ben
 

lddrew

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It might be "5 bucks worth of junk"...but the R&D costs a fortune. Nobody understands this about electronics, and I dont think anyone ever will understand/appreciate what goes into them unless they actually get into the field themselves. I have only come to appreciate this much more as I design my truck electronic modules. I have literally hundred and hundreds of hours into designing/engineering/coding/testing/trial/error in my lockup controller for example....and my lockup controller doesnt even have to communicate on the truck's data bus! (so multiply that couple hundred hours by 5, at least, to write all the software to speak Class 2 to the rest of the truck)

Its NOT JUST A "SWITCH". You can make a "radio C2 to RCA input" cable....but its not gonna do diddly unless there is a factory auxiliary module (such as a remote denali/escalade CD changer, factory XM or factory rear-seat entertainment/DVD) telling the radio "yes, im here, you can enable the aux input".

The radio is not going to enable to input by itself if theres no factory device installed in the truck that will be using it, for obvious reasons.

Now, obviously, those aftermarket modules arent "a factory XM, cd changer, dvd box"...so what they have to do is design a mini computer in the module that makes the factory radio THINK its hooked up to a factory auxiliary module. It has to communicate with the rest of the truck, ALL of the modules, and speak ALL of the correct messages on the databus. If it sends out a wrong message on the data bus, it could do everything from accidentally make the driver side window go down, to even shutting the engine off.

So if you're making a module that talks on the databus, you damn well better make sure your software code is bulletproof and doesnt have any bugs/glitches. All of this debugging/testing/etc takes hundreds of hours, and the companies that are making these modules have to pay software engineers (who generally command a pretty good paycheck) full-time to design them.

And then theres the information about the Class 2 databus specific messages....its PROPRIETARY. IE, GM will not just give out the computer code that "makes the radio turn on the auxiliary input". You cant just take a factory XM module and "download the file, and then copy/paste into your own aux input widget". You have to either:

A) spend dozens of hours in the truck listening to the databus with your laptop, trying to decipher WHICH of the (hundreds of messages per second that pass over the databus) is the correct "enable aux input" message that the XM module is sending to the radio. Reverse engineering from scratch, basically. Like trying to break radio-transmission codes during world war II. Then, once you've found that, you have to build your aux-input modules extra operating software around that code, and make sure the software is stable and wont crash....which, as I said before, if your aux input module crashes, it could do really bad things to the truck.

B) buy the white-papers from GM. I think they sell them for like $50,000/year

So you can see that, sure...might physically be "5 dollars of junk", but the R&D and software in that module is NOT "5 dollars of junk".

Hopefully that will help people better understand WHY they are paying $50 for "just an aux input" :)

Ben

Thanks Ben, :thumb: That helps a lot. I appreciate the help. I will look into trying one of the harnesses. I was just hoping to find one that did not retain functionality of XM or CD changer since I do not have one of those. I'm hoping it will still work if I have just the module to the RCA jack.

Will GM need to flash my radio in any way to make the radio realize that it now has an accessory added??

Thanks
 

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Thanks Ben, :thumb: That helps a lot. I appreciate the help. I will look into trying one of the harnesses. I was just hoping to find one that did not retain functionality of XM or CD changer since I do not have one of those. I'm hoping it will still work if I have just the module to the RCA jack.

Will GM need to flash my radio in any way to make the radio realize that it now has an accessory added??

Thanks

No, the radio is smart enough to recognize the new module...just have to pull the radio fuse for a couple seconds.

If you look on ebay, you should be able to find the module you need for 50 bucks. And for ~115, you can get a badass ipod/iphone integration module that will charge your device, and let you search songs from the steering wheel controls/radio controls, give you an extra aux input for non-apple devices, show title/artist info on the radio display, etc etc etc...
 

lddrew

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Thanks Ben! Everyone keeps telling me that since my truck had neither XM or the CD changer that it would NOT work. I figured you'd be the man to know. Thank you for the help. I appreciate it.
 

lddrew

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Just ordered the P.I.E adapter, I will post up when it gets here and hopefully get it working. thank you for the help guys
 

TheBac

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Ben, sometime you and I are going to have a sit-down and Im going to pick your brain of all your electronics knowledge. It may take a while. :rofl: Thanks for the help for the o/p.