EFILive Cummins Update - Feb

Hello to all,

It's time to make a public update about what is happening with the Cummins beta so everyone is on the same track and we can stop any internet rumours.

We just released another Beta version to our testers yesterday, this was to check off a minor issue we had with the ECM after it was flashed. The results so far are very good, no DTC's at all once flashed and no DTC's when driving. We found one more checksum that needed to be taken care of, but rather than disable it (like some might) we chose to do the right thing and recalculate the checksum prior to the ECM being flashed.
Anyway, the good news is the the ECM is happy and from what we are told, EFILive now wears the crown as the fastest Cummins flash tool on the market, not only that, it's the only one that doesn't require multiple key cycles after a flash, or, most importantly doesn't erase the VIN!
So the read and reflash side of the Beta for the 5.9L is complete, we can move on.

We also introduced a locking function so nobody can read the tune out of the ECM, this is optional and can be applied prior to a reflash. It won't stop the tune being overwritten, only being read out.

As far as the tuning goes, everyone is getting great results, we weren't expecting horsepower records to be smashed in the first month of beta testing, and they haven't been. But what we did get is multiple tuners saying they have improved the trucks drivability and response enormously which is exactly what we were hoping for.

Over the coming weeks we hope to give the beta testers access to the scantool side of this development. Once they can log critical data the tunes will improve even more and the power will start to climb.

Right now the RPM limit is not being worked on beyond what we thought would be enough tables to provide the solution. Once we get the scan tool working and we can see what is happening with torque, rail pressure, commanded mm3 etc it's going to give us a direction in hunting down the problem. Until then it's just speculation as to the cause, this is why the RPM limit is on hold for the time being. But again, only until the scan tool is functional.
We also hope the scantool data will allow the tuners to get rid of the 'fuel hang' 100%, once and for all.

There was also mention of switchable tunes for them (like the Dmax DSP5). It is our intention to do something like this for the Cummins as well. However, before can figure out how many tunes we can squeeze in to the ECM we need to know what tables are needed when switching.
If there is only 10 tables needed for a switchable tune, then we can probably get more tune options in the same ECM, but if there is 30 or more tables needed (hopefully not), then that is going to take up more space in the ECM which at some point will hit it's limit.
So for the moment, until everyone gets a handle on just what is needed to be modified for a good tune we will hold back on development of a switching tune.

So back to the scantool, below is a list of the sort of data you are going to be able to log from these trucks. From our research there is simply no other scantool on the market that can get all this data.

Cheers,
Ross

A/C Pressure
Balance Rate for Cylinder 1
Balance Rate for Cylinder 2
Balance Rate for Cylinder 3
Balance Rate for Cylinder 4
Balance Rate for Cylinder 5
Balance Rate for Cylinder 6
Barometric Pressure
Battery Temperature
Battery Voltage
Boost Pressure
Commanded Fuel Uncompensated
Commanded Fuel with Balance Rates
Coolant Temperature
Current Gear
Driver Throttle Position
Engine Load
Engine Status
Fan Duty Cycle
Fan Speed
Fuel Control Actuator Current
Fuel Control Actuator Duty Cycle Actual
Fuel Control Actuator Duty Cycle Commanded
Fuel Level
Fuel Pressure Actual
Fuel Pressure Desired
Fuel Pressure Measured
Fuel Pressure Regulator Current
Fuel Pressure Regulator Duty Cycle
Fuelling Scaler
Idle Speed Desired
Injection Timing
Injector Charge Capacitor 1 Voltage
Injector Charge Capacitor 2 Voltage
Injector Control Status
Injector Open Circuit Faults
Injector Short to 12V Circuit Faults
Injector Short to GND Circuit Faults
Injector Timing Status
Intake Air Heater Pre-Heat Timer
Intake Air Heater State
Intake Air Temperature
Intake Manifold Temperature
Main Injection Duration
Pedal Position 1
Pedal Position 2
Percentage of Maximum Torque
Pilot Injection Duration
Post Injection Duration
RPM
TTVA Duty Cycle
TTVA Position Actual
TTVA Position Commanded
Transmission Oil Temperature
Transmission Output Shaft Speed
Transmission Governor Actual
Transmission Governor Commanded
Transmission Governor PWM
Vehicle Speed
Voltage Regulator
Waste-gate Duty Cycle
Water In Fuel
 

DAVe3283

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Sweet! Looks like things are coming along nicely. Once this is in the bag, I'm anxious to see you guys start on the LML's.

Battery temperature, eh? That's neat. I wonder where they get the temperature from, the battery tray? That is an impressive list of parameters you can get.
 

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Battery temperature, eh? That's neat. I wonder where they get the temperature from, the battery tray? That is an impressive list of parameters you can get.

DODGE uses a battery temp sensor in them to control charging voltage. It is normally a small plastic sensor mounted in the bottom of the battery tray that looks like a plastic push in retaining tab. I know that DODGE likes to charge right around 15 volts or so at a 50 degree battery temp for the first 5 minutes then drop down. On a 100 degree day which is about a 125 degree battery temp they will nly charge around 12.8-13.1 volts.
 
Sweet! Looks like things are coming along nicely. Once this is in the bag, I'm anxious to see you guys start on the LML's.

I think you need to have a read of the LML thread on our forum. http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?13812-Info-on-New-LML-engines-for-2011

Unless GM change the ECM to allow the file to be read (highly doubtful), we won't be breaching their copyright by downloading the files from their online programming system (TIS).

Effectively, we won't be developing support.

Cheers
Cindy
 
We won't move any of the 6.7L development into Beta until the 5.96L is fully released.

For the 5.9L the Cummins Scan Tool is finalised, however the level of testing required is ENORMOUS to say the least. The changes that have been made to support the Cummins Scan Tool have the potential to have a HUGE impact on every other controller we support, and from a customer service and support standpoint need to make sure those functions are right.

The aim is for BETA testers to have the Scan Tool this week, and then release is dependent on beta issues and the requests for additional parameters. Ross has indicated no more than a couple of weeks.

I hope to post, or have our testers post some screen shots/video of the Scan Tool in the next few days.

It has taken longer than expected, we are aware of that, but releasing without a fully functional Scan Tool would not do our product any justice and would create unnecessary support issues for our Customers, Dealers and ourselves.

Cheers
Cindy
 

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We won't move any of the 6.7L development into Beta until the 5.96L is fully released.

For the 5.9L the Cummins Scan Tool is finalised, however the level of testing required is ENORMOUS to say the least. The changes that have been made to support the Cummins Scan Tool have the potential to have a HUGE impact on every other controller we support, and from a customer service and support standpoint need to make sure those functions are right.

The aim is for BETA testers to have the Scan Tool this week, and then release is dependent on beta issues and the requests for additional parameters. Ross has indicated no more than a couple of weeks.

I hope to post, or have our testers post some screen shots/video of the Scan Tool in the next few days.

It has taken longer than expected, we are aware of that, but releasing without a fully functional Scan Tool would not do our product any justice and would create unnecessary support issues for our Customers, Dealers and ourselves.

Cheers
Cindy

will i be able to use the same v2 scan/tune tool i use on my duramax for the cummins too?
 

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will i be able to use the same v2 scan/tune tool i use on my duramax for the cummins too?

That depends. The black V2 will be able to still do the GM and do the 06+ CAN based CUMMINS controllers, but the 03-05 SCI controllers will require the newer blue V2. You will have to buy a CUMMINS license for your current V2 though to do CUMMINS flashes with it.
 

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Were do we buy the cummins license or is it not up on the website yet? An so with the last public release I can use v8 an read a trucks stock file, can I open it an mess with the tune an just not save it or

The cummins license is not available yet. I'm not allowed to say when just yet, but a hard date has been established and is very close.

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