California is giting ready to shoot is self in both feet

the4wheeler

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From the LA Times

State's Air Resources Board will vote on costly measures to limit big-rig pollution.
By Margot Roosevelt
December 11, 2008

Two decades ago, Rosa Vielmas, young and hopeful, moved to Riverside County for cleaner air. Goodbye to smoggy East Los Angeles. Hello to Mira Loma, an unincorporated speck of a village, and a one-story stucco bungalow with a yard. "We could see the stars," she recalled.

But that was before Mira Loma became one of Southern California's "diesel death zones," as activists call the truck-choked freeways and distribution hubs that fan out from the massive ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.
Today, a blanket of smog and dust smothers Mira Loma's grimy subdivisions. "You think the warehouses will bring work and money," said Vielmas, 44, who became a community organizer after her two grandsons developed asthma, which she blames on diesel pollution. "The cost of industrialization -- we are paying for it with our health."

This week, a decades-long struggle between California regulators and the national trucking industry will come to a head in Sacramento when the Air Resources Board votes on whether to require owners to fit about 230,000 heavy-duty trucks with diesel exhaust traps and replace about 350,000 older, dirty engines over the next 15 years.

Big-rig crackdown

The crackdown is unprecedented: No other state requires existing trucks to be retrofitted or retired. And it raises thorny interstate commerce issues: Any big rig that travels through California, no matter where it is registered, would be affected.

At a cost of $5.5 billion, the diesel rule, which covers trucks and buses, would be the most expensive air pollution regulation ever adopted in California.

Regulators say, however, that the cost of failing to act would be far higher. Heavy-duty rigs are responsible for a third of all the smog in California. State officials project that the new rule would save 9,400 lives between 2010, when it takes effect, and 2025. With tens of thousands of hospital admissions linked to air pollution, Californians would save up to $68 billion in healthcare costs in the first 15 years, according to economists for the air board.

Last week, 17 national and state health groups, including the American Heart Assn., the American Cancer Society and the California Medical Assn., called for passage of the rule, noting that half of all Californians live within a mile of a freeway.

"These pollutants are taking a serious toll on California's public health," they wrote to the air board, adding that diesel exhaust can cause respiratory and cardiovascular disease, cancer and premature death.

But with the nation spiraling into recession, employment plunging and credit scarce, is this the time to impose a costly regulation on a vital industry?

Fleet owners have held news conferences in Ontario, Bakersfield, Fresno and other cities, demanding that the rule be relaxed and postponed.

Diesel traps cost up to $15,000, a stiff burden for small operators, many of whom are struggling to meet payments on trucks worth up to $130,000 each. And big rigs can be driven for as long as 25 years, so replacing them early would be expensive.

"This rule will likely put me out of business and over 60 people out of work," Ron Silva, chief executive of Westar Transport in Fresno County, told the Air Resources Board. "This rule can cripple the California economy as we know it. . . . Farmers will not be able to afford to have the crops hauled out of the field."

If shipping fees rise, Southern California ports, which handle 40% of the nation's containerized imports, could lose business to Canadian and East Coast terminals. Out-of-state truckers are already threatening to stay away. "As you regulate more, the more we will refuse your freight," warned Nathan Peaslee, a Michigan driver who hauls potato chips and televisions.

The state is promising truckers more than $1 billion in subsidies to make the transition. Nonetheless, the American Trucking Assn. is expected to fight the rule in court. Air board lawyers are confident the state can fend off a legal challenge. Judges, they say, will take into account the fact that California cannot meet a federal mandate to clean its air without a tough diesel rule.

In Mira Loma, the trade-offs are etched in stark relief.

Stop by the one-bedroom cottage where Vielmas' daughter, Ana Gomez, 23, cares for her 2-year-old son Julio. Gomez's husband has a job painting buses at a nearby depot.

But Julio pays the price of pollution. On the kitchen table is a bill for asthma drugs and a nebulizer that sprays a mist of medication through a face mask. "Sometimes he chokes and turns purple," Gomez said. "I have to take him to the hospital."

There is no history of asthma in the family. Vielmas and Gomez blame the trucks. Pollution is known to aggravate asthma symptoms although the causes of asthma remain a subject of debate.
"We're known as the 'Warehouse Capital of Southern California,' " said Vielmas, speaking Spanish. A five-minute drive from home, acres of shipping terminals surround a Union Pacific rail yard. Stacks of steel containers roll along the tracks.

Trucks stream in and out of vast parking lots: Wal-Mart, Costco, Sears, Thomson, Hyundai. Imported goods are unloaded, repacked and hauled out. Across from fast-food joints, tractor-trailers idle -- illegally -- running their air conditioning.

"When we moved here, my husband milked cows at a dairy," Vielmas said. The dairies have been crowded out by warehouses, and now her husband operates a forklift at one of them.

Pollution study

Vielmas steers through an intersection off California 60 where, two years ago, she and Gomez were trained to count vehicles and measure emissions for a USC air pollution study. In one hour, they counted 445 trucks and 2,125 cars. Other teams tallied up to 800 trucks an hour on nearby streets.

Unlike gasoline-powered cars, which feature catalytic converters, today's diesel trucks are mostly unregulated. Federal standards will require clean engines in new models as of 2010, but Mira Loma residents say they cannot wait decades for hundreds of thousands of trucks to be retired. The USC study of 12 Central and Southern California communities found that Mira Loma children had the lowest lung capacity compared with other areas -- a handicap likely to affect them for life.

The findings infuriated the community. A local group, Center for Community Action and Environmental Justice, where Vielmas first volunteered and recently began to work full-time, mounted a billboard over the freeway. It read "Welcome to Riverside County! We're #1: Dirtiest Air in the Nation; Deadly Health Impacts."

School affected

Across from the rail yard, where tens of thousands of imported cars are loaded on to tractor-trailers, Vielmas gestures toward Jurupa Valley High School, where students are exercising on the fields.

"When they played games here, they had to use inhalers. When they played at other schools, they didn't have to use them," Vielmas recalled.

Eventually, parents concluded that the rail yard exit across the street was a major cause. After three years of demonstrations and political pressure, truckers were required to switch to a different gate, said Vielmas, whose four children attended the school.

Now community activists are demanding 1,500-foot buffer zones between homes and warehouses. And they are battling a proposed 425-home subdivision near a planned six-lane truck route, saying that health risks should be disclosed to buyers.

Would Vielmas and Gomez think of moving away? They hesitate. In Mira Loma, most everyone is related to everyone else, or at least acquainted. "This community was here first, and then the warehouses came," Vielmas said.

They see no contradiction between their husbands' jobs -- dependent on the truck-hauling economy -- and their activism. Truckers experience higher lung cancer rates than the general population, according to health authorities. During the election, Vielmas, born in Mexico and now an American citizen, knocked on 200 doors for a voter-registration drive.

"I hear their stories," she said. "Many people are suffering."

So Vielmas and her family won't leave. This week, they are looking to Sacramento for relief. "We want regulations," she said. "We want them enforced. I want to keep fighting."

Roosevelt is a Times staff writer.

margot.roosevelt

@latimes.com



yes i think california passes this its searsely going to hurt the already F'ed up economy of the state not olny put the independent driver out of business
but hurt 90% of the farmers of the state who use old trucks to git there produce out to the nation


To the people who are fighting for cleener trucks and higher prices on products NO ONE HAS A F**KING GUN TO YOUR HEAD > YOU DONT LIK E THE AIR AND ITS AFFECTING OUR HELTH .............. PACK UP YOUR SH*T AND MOVE THE HELL TO A BETTER LOCATION!!!!!!! dont make the rest of the state and NATION suffer!
 

slowlmm

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they have allready done this in long beach ports no trucks older then i think 1990 are allowed and have to pass clean air emisions standards any truck older will automaticley not be allowed into ports to ship goods and wht not. even if it did pass current smog regulations. Its both a good and bad idea i just think it needed to be a little more thught out first
 

Kat

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I don't know what the current laws are. But, there must already be something in place. On Thanksgiving we where at my sisters and I was showing my Dad who is a retired truck driver, some of our sled pulling video's, and the first thing out of his mouth when he saw Casper sled pull was "If my truck smoked like that I would have gotten a fat ass ticket".
 

bullfrogjohnson

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I have alot of buddies that do long haul trucking and they used to do the NC to CA trip alot because the money is great but with yalls new emissions stuff alot of truckers wont even get close to the CA state line anymore.
 

BMGhauler

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I have alot of buddies that do long haul trucking and they used to do the NC to CA trip alot because the money is great but with yalls new emissions stuff alot of truckers wont even get close to the CA state line anymore.

It will be a booming business for someone that does have a clean truck then. "Dirty" trucks drop their load in NV or AZ then "clean" trucks drag it the rest of the way.
 

RKTMech

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Did anyone notice poor old don chepay who came down with asthma is a freekin bus painter. Ya that doesnt have any bearing on his breathing problems now does it, and Mira Loma is a fricking dust bowl of wind on and off all year long. So with little rain it turns into dust central and this too has no bearing on our poor little don chepay's breathing either.:rofl: This kind of shat chapps my hide, They just need to let the big rig industry catch up like the auto industry did with its smog equipment and the future will be all bright and shinny. F-ing tree huggers!
 

RKTMech

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It will be a booming business for someone that does have a clean truck then. "Dirty" trucks drop their load in NV or AZ then "clean" trucks drag it the rest of the way.

Ya but it takes 2 clean trucks to do the job of one regular truck cause the new clean trucks have no power at all. They had to take the speed bumps out at the road into the dump cause all the new clean trash trucks were getting stuck on the slight incline. :rofl: The truck industry was forced to meet alot of stricter regulations already in the last 5 or so years and knee jerk implamentation is what we get. No power poor performing work trucks.
 

duramax3388

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Did anyone notice poor old don chepay who came down with asthma is a freekin bus painter. Ya that doesnt have any bearing on his breathing problems now does it, and Mira Loma is a fricking dust bowl of wind on and off all year long. So with little rain it turns into dust central and this too has no bearing on our poor little don chepay's breathing either.:rofl: This kind of shat chapps my hide, They just need to let the big rig industry catch up like the auto industry did with its smog equipment and the future will be all bright and shinny. F-ing tree huggers!

X2 its going to take time and money or all the little guys are screwed
 

EatSoot

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There is nothing like burning 2 gallons of diesel to cover what one gallon would in order to make the air cleaner. That is one thing those activists will never take into consideration, as they wear the clothes on their back and eat the food on their table that came right out of a diesel truck.:(
 

juddski88

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Kalifornia is the best at f**king up peoples lives..............:rolleyes:

I think they should secede along with all of New England and the rust belt mid west states.

:D

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: and who's gonna save the country??? but if the south think they can do it then :canada: here i come!! :joker:

I have always wanted to meet Keith and Nasty in person:D
 

TheBac

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There may be something to what she claims, but there should be some serious studies done first.

In our building here at UPS, it just seems we've had a higher rate of cancers happening to drivers than the general population would. By my last count, we've had 7 drivers (retired and current) be diagnosed with cancer in the past 10 years. Just seems high for a driver group of about 180 total people.
 

mytmousemalibu

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This is why we cant have nice things! This stupid BS @ss idea is sure to be lining some peoples pockets with green. And im sure this soon to be retard president just loves this plan and thinks we should do it nationwide:mad:
 

WolfLMM

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: and who's gonna save the country??? but if the south think they can do it then :canada: here i come!! :joker:

I have always wanted to meet Keith and Nasty in person:D

We have the least problem's, so we must be doing something right.:rolleyes:
 

radvans

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Yep, it will save less than 10,000 lives in 15 years. WOW...seems like a good deal. :rolleyes: How do the people that come up with this stuff live with themselves?
 

NelsonDiesel

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just read that it passed... or something similar but they are awaiting obamas arrival to get it completely through.

One line that popped out to me as making no sense...

"California's poor communities say polluters in their neighborhoods may just write a check rather than clean up their act. "

key words - poor communities / write a check. Ya, ok !

the article i read is more towards housing and businesses but it also talks a little about california vehicles being greener....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081212/ap_on_re_us/california_greenhouse_gases
 

the4wheeler

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i did not git a chance to read the artice this morning jsut saw the head line but looks like they puled the trigger and got one foot

hear comes higher priced consumer goods :(
 

SmokeShow

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just what a broke, jobless country needs... higher living expenses.


This viscious cycle we appear to be in has to stop before long or it'll be worse than we can probably even imagine.



C-ya