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Circuit Description
Important: DTC P0741 detects high torque converter clutch (TCC) slip speed in commanded 2nd and 3rd gears only. TCC is only commanded on in these gears during hot mode, wide open throttle (WOT), or if the gear selector indicates Drive 3 or Drive 2.
The powertrain control module (PCM) energizes the torque converter clutch pulse width modulated (TCC PWM) solenoid valve by closing the control circuit. This blocks the exhaust for TCC signal fluid and allows filtered 2-3 drive fluid to feed the TCC signal circuit. When the vehicle operating conditions are appropriate for TCC application, the PCM increases the TCC duty cycle to approximately 30 percent. This allows TCC signal fluid pressure to move the converter clutch shift valve into the apply position and direct regulated apply fluid to the torque converter. The PCM then increases, ramps, the duty cycle to approximately 60 percent, where regulated apply fluid pressure, applies the converter clutch. The vehicle application determines the TCC apply rate. Once the TCC applies, the duty cycle immediately increases to approximately 70 percent to achieve full apply pressure, in the regulated apply fluid circuit.
The TCC PWM solenoid valve is de-energized by the PCM opening the control circuit. This action allows the TCC signal fluid to exhaust through the solenoid and blocks filtered 2-3 drive fluid from entering the TCC signal circuit. The loss of fluid pressure in the TCC signal circuit releases the TCC.
If the PCM detects high TCC slip when the TCC is commanded ON, then DTC P0741 sets. DTC P0741 is a type C DTC. For California emissions vehicles DTC P0741 is a type B DTC.
DTC Descriptor
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTC:
DTC P0741 Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) System– Stuck Off
Conditions for Running the DTC
No TP sensor DTC P0121, P0122, or P0123.
No VSS DTC P0502, or P0503.
No AT ISS DTC P0716 or P0717.
No TCC DTC P0742 or P2761.
No TFP manual valve position switch DTC P1810.
The system voltage is between 8–18 volts for more than 0.5 seconds.
No TCC PWM electrical DTC P2761.
The gear ratio must indicate 2nd or 3rd gear.
The throttle position is 10–100 percent.
The TFP manual valve position switch must be in D4, D3, or D2 and has not changed in 6 seconds.
The transmission fluid temperature (TFT) is 20–150°C (68–302°F).
The TCC duty cycle is greater than 65 percent and locked on greater than 0.1 second.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The TCC slip speed is greater than 125 RPM, for 5 seconds.
All conditions must be met for a total of 4 occurrences.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
For California emission equipped vehicles, the PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. For Federal emission equipped vehicles, the MIL is not illuminated.
The PCM inhibits the TCC.
The PCM increases line pressure.
The PCM freezes shift adapts.
The PCM records the operating conditions when the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. The PCM stores this information as Freeze Frame, California only, and Failure Records, California and Federal.
The PCM stores the DTC P0741 in PCM history during the second consecutive trip, California, or the first trip, Federal, in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
For California emissions, the PCM turns OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test runs and passes.
A scan tool can clear the MIL/DTC.
For California emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without an emission related diagnostic fault occurring.
For Federal emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without a non-emission related diagnostic fault occurring.
The PCM cancels the DTC default actions when the fault no longer exists and the ignition switch is OFF long enough in order to power down the PCM.
Diagnostic Aids
Residue or contamination may cause TCC hydraulic valves to stick intermittently.
DTC P0741 defaults to an elevated line pressure condition which may result in partial TCC apply. This may produce an idle surge that could stall the engine.
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
This step tests for excessive TCC slip when TCC is commanded on.
This step inspects for possible causes of no TCC apply.
DTC P0741
Step
Action
Value
Yes
No
1
Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check – Vehicle?
—
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle
2
Install a scan tool.
Important: Before clearing the DTCs, use the scan tool in order to record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records. Using the Clear Info function erases the Freeze Frame and Failure Records from the PCM.
Record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records.
Clear the DTCs.
Drive the vehicle in D3.
Record TCC Slip Speed and TCC Duty Cycle data using the scan tool snapshot mode.
Is the TCC slip speed greater than the specified value when the TCC duty cycle is commanded higher than 70% for greater than 3 seconds?
140 RPM
Go to Step 3
Go to Diagnostic Aids
3
Inspect the TCC PWM solenoid valve for being mechanically stuck OFF. Refer to Torque Converter Clutch Valve and Spring Replacement.
Did you find and correct the condition?
—
Go to Step 5
Go to Step 4
4
Inspect the transmission for the following conditions:
TCC PWM solenoid valve for a damaged exhaust orifice
TCC shift valve for being stuck
Refer to Torque Converter Clutch Valve and Spring Replacement.
Converter regulated apply valve stuck in the released position
Restricted apply or release passage
Refer to Transmission Fluid Pump Disassemble in Transmission Unit Repair Manual.
Misaligned or damaged valve body gasket
Refer to Control Valve Body Assembly Removal in Transmission Unit Repair Manual.
Torque converter mechanically stuck OFF
Refer to Torque Converter Diagnosis.
Repair any of the above conditions as necessary.
Did you complete the repair?
—
Go to Step 5
—
5
Perform the following procedure in order to verify the repair:
Select DTC.
Select Clear Info.
Operate the vehicle under the following conditions:
Drive the vehicle in D3 with steady acceleration, above 12% throttle angle.
TCC duty cycle greater than 70%
The PCM must see a TCC slip of less than 25 RPM for greater than 1.5 seconds.
Select Specific DTC.
Enter DTC P0741.
Has the test run and passed?
—
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 2
6
With the scan tool, observe the stored information, capture info and DTC info.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
—
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List - Vehicle
System OK
Important: DTC P0741 detects high torque converter clutch (TCC) slip speed in commanded 2nd and 3rd gears only. TCC is only commanded on in these gears during hot mode, wide open throttle (WOT), or if the gear selector indicates Drive 3 or Drive 2.
The powertrain control module (PCM) energizes the torque converter clutch pulse width modulated (TCC PWM) solenoid valve by closing the control circuit. This blocks the exhaust for TCC signal fluid and allows filtered 2-3 drive fluid to feed the TCC signal circuit. When the vehicle operating conditions are appropriate for TCC application, the PCM increases the TCC duty cycle to approximately 30 percent. This allows TCC signal fluid pressure to move the converter clutch shift valve into the apply position and direct regulated apply fluid to the torque converter. The PCM then increases, ramps, the duty cycle to approximately 60 percent, where regulated apply fluid pressure, applies the converter clutch. The vehicle application determines the TCC apply rate. Once the TCC applies, the duty cycle immediately increases to approximately 70 percent to achieve full apply pressure, in the regulated apply fluid circuit.
The TCC PWM solenoid valve is de-energized by the PCM opening the control circuit. This action allows the TCC signal fluid to exhaust through the solenoid and blocks filtered 2-3 drive fluid from entering the TCC signal circuit. The loss of fluid pressure in the TCC signal circuit releases the TCC.
If the PCM detects high TCC slip when the TCC is commanded ON, then DTC P0741 sets. DTC P0741 is a type C DTC. For California emissions vehicles DTC P0741 is a type B DTC.
DTC Descriptor
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTC:
DTC P0741 Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) System– Stuck Off
Conditions for Running the DTC
No TP sensor DTC P0121, P0122, or P0123.
No VSS DTC P0502, or P0503.
No AT ISS DTC P0716 or P0717.
No TCC DTC P0742 or P2761.
No TFP manual valve position switch DTC P1810.
The system voltage is between 8–18 volts for more than 0.5 seconds.
No TCC PWM electrical DTC P2761.
The gear ratio must indicate 2nd or 3rd gear.
The throttle position is 10–100 percent.
The TFP manual valve position switch must be in D4, D3, or D2 and has not changed in 6 seconds.
The transmission fluid temperature (TFT) is 20–150°C (68–302°F).
The TCC duty cycle is greater than 65 percent and locked on greater than 0.1 second.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The TCC slip speed is greater than 125 RPM, for 5 seconds.
All conditions must be met for a total of 4 occurrences.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
For California emission equipped vehicles, the PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. For Federal emission equipped vehicles, the MIL is not illuminated.
The PCM inhibits the TCC.
The PCM increases line pressure.
The PCM freezes shift adapts.
The PCM records the operating conditions when the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. The PCM stores this information as Freeze Frame, California only, and Failure Records, California and Federal.
The PCM stores the DTC P0741 in PCM history during the second consecutive trip, California, or the first trip, Federal, in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
For California emissions, the PCM turns OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test runs and passes.
A scan tool can clear the MIL/DTC.
For California emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without an emission related diagnostic fault occurring.
For Federal emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without a non-emission related diagnostic fault occurring.
The PCM cancels the DTC default actions when the fault no longer exists and the ignition switch is OFF long enough in order to power down the PCM.
Diagnostic Aids
Residue or contamination may cause TCC hydraulic valves to stick intermittently.
DTC P0741 defaults to an elevated line pressure condition which may result in partial TCC apply. This may produce an idle surge that could stall the engine.
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
This step tests for excessive TCC slip when TCC is commanded on.
This step inspects for possible causes of no TCC apply.
DTC P0741
Step
Action
Value
Yes
No
1
Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check – Vehicle?
—
Go to Step 2
Go to Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle
2
Install a scan tool.
Important: Before clearing the DTCs, use the scan tool in order to record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records. Using the Clear Info function erases the Freeze Frame and Failure Records from the PCM.
Record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records.
Clear the DTCs.
Drive the vehicle in D3.
Record TCC Slip Speed and TCC Duty Cycle data using the scan tool snapshot mode.
Is the TCC slip speed greater than the specified value when the TCC duty cycle is commanded higher than 70% for greater than 3 seconds?
140 RPM
Go to Step 3
Go to Diagnostic Aids
3
Inspect the TCC PWM solenoid valve for being mechanically stuck OFF. Refer to Torque Converter Clutch Valve and Spring Replacement.
Did you find and correct the condition?
—
Go to Step 5
Go to Step 4
4
Inspect the transmission for the following conditions:
TCC PWM solenoid valve for a damaged exhaust orifice
TCC shift valve for being stuck
Refer to Torque Converter Clutch Valve and Spring Replacement.
Converter regulated apply valve stuck in the released position
Restricted apply or release passage
Refer to Transmission Fluid Pump Disassemble in Transmission Unit Repair Manual.
Misaligned or damaged valve body gasket
Refer to Control Valve Body Assembly Removal in Transmission Unit Repair Manual.
Torque converter mechanically stuck OFF
Refer to Torque Converter Diagnosis.
Repair any of the above conditions as necessary.
Did you complete the repair?
—
Go to Step 5
—
5
Perform the following procedure in order to verify the repair:
Select DTC.
Select Clear Info.
Operate the vehicle under the following conditions:
Drive the vehicle in D3 with steady acceleration, above 12% throttle angle.
TCC duty cycle greater than 70%
The PCM must see a TCC slip of less than 25 RPM for greater than 1.5 seconds.
Select Specific DTC.
Enter DTC P0741.
Has the test run and passed?
—
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 2
6
With the scan tool, observe the stored information, capture info and DTC info.
Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
—
Go to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List - Vehicle
System OK
Give some more info/be more specific on what the truck is doing. How did the trans feel when you drove it/if you did. Did it immediately throw this code?
P0741 means the converter clutch never locked.
If you are going to rebuild these transmissions you will need a Tech 2 and learn how to use it. You need to read books on how the Allison operates. KITS don't fix problems.
Allisons are easy to build, till they don't work.
If you are going to rebuild these transmissions you will need a Tech 2 and learn how to use it. You need to read books on how the Allison operates. KITS don't fix problems.
Allisons are easy to build, till they don't work.
P0741 never throws right away. It can take 100 miles of no lock up before it sets the code. With a Tech 2 you can override and apply the TCC. Was the TCC command given by the TCM? If so, how long did it take before you saw 96%/97%? What was the slip speed in RPM's if you saw the above percentage rate? Any rpm above 200 means the TCC never locked. That tells you the command was given and nothing happened.
I doubt it's a converter issue. If it passes all the tests then you have a mechanical problem. Possibly sealing rings on the stator shaft or front ring on the input shaft. A screw up on the converter flow valve can do this also.
I doubt it's a converter issue. If it passes all the tests then you have a mechanical problem. Possibly sealing rings on the stator shaft or front ring on the input shaft. A screw up on the converter flow valve can do this also.
I bet the rings flew off when you blew the part dry with the air gun. Glad you found it.
