AllData vs GM on labor book time

[Josh2002cc]

Hey guys. This question is for those of you who have access to GM book time for repairs. I have Alldata but want to make sure it is accurate. For a 2006 LLY it shows 13.8 hours to replace a CP3 pump. Can anyone verify this please? Also, does anyone know what rate the dealers are charging? I was quoted $2600.00 for a CP3 replacement by my local dealer but he wouldn't break it down for me into labor, parts, and taxes/fee's. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Josh

 

[paint94979]

Sounds about right IIRC dealerships want stupid money for CP3's around 800-900$ so 13.8 hrs at $125/hr equals $1,725 in labor plus $875 for pump puts you at $2,600. Makes sense

 

[Josh2002cc]

Sounds about right IIRC dealerships want stupid money for CP3's around 800-900$ so 13.8 hrs at $125/hr equals $1,725 in labor plus $875 for pump puts you at $2,600. Makes sense

You are correct, full retail was like $925 or $950 for the CP3. Wholesale was $650.00 when I spoke to the parts department but I know the service department was quoting retail.

I would like to confirm GM's book time though, I don't like to guess.

 

[JoshH]

AFAIK, alldata gets it's labor rates from the manufacturer.

 

[DIESELMAFIAPER.LB7]

13.6 hours holy chit it takes like 4 to do 6 if you lolly gag around

Nm this 06 plus little more pita on the fan shroud end of things lb7s are cake walks

 

[paint94979]

It can be easily done in 8hrs

 

[JoshH]

13.6 hours holy chit it takes like 4 to do 6 if you lolly gag around

Nm this 06 plus little more pita on the fan shroud end of things lb7s are cake walks

Book rate is 5.9 hrs on an LB7.

 

[Josh2002cc]

It can be easily done in 8hrs

Yes, it certainly can be done in 8 hours. Especially if a real tight ass insists on using used pumps missing the gear, mounting plate, and a smashed regulator. If I didn't have it down before, I do now for sure.

 

[paint94979]

Just feel lucky the gear didn't seize onto the shaft like mine. Had to take it to a machine shop to remove it. When it finally let loose it when into the air about 10 feet and shattered on the ground.

 

[McRat]

How they build a Duramax Truck:

You put a CP3 in the middle of the room, then bolt everything to make a truck on to it.

I've spent 6 hours before removing a CP3 on a dressed crate engine bolted to an engine stand. Yes, I suck, but things often go wrong.

 

[McRat]

Hey guys. This question is for those of you who have access to GM book time for repairs. I have Alldata but want to make sure it is accurate. For a 2006 LLY it shows 13.8 hours to replace a CP3 pump. Can anyone verify this please? Also, does anyone know what rate the dealers are charging? I was quoted $2600.00 for a CP3 replacement by my local dealer but he wouldn't break it down for me into labor, parts, and taxes/fee's. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Josh

Do you know for a FACT the CP3 is hurt? Unless they eat water, they are fairly hard to bust. Normally, the regulator goes bad, or some other part in the system. When I've blow up a CP3:

A) I was asking for it.

B) It blew one of the 3 freeze plugs out of it.

It has something like a gear rotor lift pump, then a 3 lob crank, and 3 crank buckets with springs, and 3 pistons, which look like engine valves.

There isn't much to break or wear. It either takes a massive shiit, or it runs forever.

Now, if you are capable of replacing a water pump, you can do a CP3. While it sucks, it's not that hard.

Also a 2006 is an LBZ regardless of what the dealer or VIN # says. Be real careful when ordering hard parts. There was a change in the front gear drive between the LLY and LBZ. I would be careful. Tell them it's an LBZ,

 

[Josh2002cc]

Pat, the truck is a flood salvage. The CP3 was diagnosed at the dealer so he brought it to me and told me to replace the pump. I insisted that we remove the pump and injectors to have them tested by a bosch dealer but he wasn't having it, told me that was a waste of money and he had plenty of pumps laying around. The passenger bank is putting out over 30mL and the drivers side is putting out over 20mL. GM spec calls for 12mL per side. I also tested the FRPR and the return side for air, both came out okay. I pleaded with the man to do this the right way but he wasn't having it.

Simply put, the way he demanded the job to be done doesn't allow one to properly diagnose which part was bad and how bad was it. I have no way of knowing if the pump was bad/good, the regulator was bad/good or if one or all injectors were bad/good. I don't know about all of you but I can't diagnose parts with unknown condition used parts or without the bosch test stands. Using the scan tool only does so much and with the pressures I was seeing, it could have been all of the above in any order.

 

[chevyburnout1]

When I worked at GM our labor rate WAS Alldata when it was customer pay. GM warranty pay is significantly lower on most jobs.

 

[S Phinney]

Pat, the truck is a flood salvage. The CP3 was diagnosed at the dealer so he brought it to me and told me to replace the pump. I insisted that we remove the pump and injectors to have them tested by a bosch dealer but he wasn't having it, told me that was a waste of money and he had plenty of pumps laying around. The passenger bank is putting out over 30mL and the drivers side is putting out over 20mL. GM spec calls for 12mL per side. I also tested the FRPR and the return side for air, both came out okay. I pleaded with the man to do this the right way but he wasn't having it.

Simply put, the way he demanded the job to be done doesn't allow one to properly diagnose which part was bad and how bad was it. I have no way of knowing if the pump was bad/good, the regulator was bad/good or if one or all injectors were bad/good. I don't know about all of you but I can't diagnose parts with unknown condition used parts or without the bosch test stands. Using the scan tool only does so much and with the pressures I was seeing, it could have been all of the above in any order.

Don't let a customer dictate how you fix the truck unless he really knows something. Then he should be fixing it himself. When it's screwed up then he going to blame you for it.

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[DIESELMAFIAPER.LB7]

Don't let a customer dictate how you fix the truck unless he really knows something. Then he should be fixing it himself. When it's screwed up then he going to blame you for it.

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and he'll probably sue you over it been there

 

[Chevy1925]

Don't let a customer dictate how you fix the truck unless he really knows something. Then he should be fixing it himself. When it's screwed up then he going to blame you for it.

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Exactly. They don't wanna fix it the way I suggest to properly diag it, I send them on their way.

 

[onebaddmaxxx]

I work at gm just seen this. As stated, we quote labor rates with all data. Usually all data shows warranty time maybe I'll look it up and screen shot it tomorrow so you can see the difference. A lot of times dealers have many tech, who work on a range of everything. Fortunately enough at the dealer I work at, I ONLY touch diesels whether they are trucks or g-vans. So fortunately for most customers it's a quick and accurate diag for them because it's all I work on and know what to look for vs someone who works on small cars and then gets a diesel. I will say some of GMs flow charts to follow diag straight suck!