LLY: 2004 LLY Allison Issues, please help!

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
Hello everyone. So, I'm trying to figure out just what in the heck is wrong with my truck. This issue just started happening out of the blue yesterday. Its been perfectly find up until then. The truck has 140,5xx miles on it.

I pulled out of my drive to go finish up a side job for a buddy of mine and the 1-2 shift didn't seem right. It seemed like a rough shudder. The 2-3 shift seemed fine, but then the 3-4 and 4-5 shift seemed super fast. Just one right after another which then bogged the rpms down. That went on all the way to my buddies house. This was all with normal driving, not ripping on it or anything.

After I left there I headed back home and the 1-2 shift seemed ok, but all the other shifts seemed to happen ALOT sooner than they should. As in it was wanting to shift in to 3-4-5 at 30-40mph. If I went to give it gas to get it to down shift it downshifted but then wanted to shift right through the gears again super fast and between the 3-4 the rpms raised in between the shift, like a surge.

I changed my spin on filter with a OEM filter, along with my new fuel filter, water sensor, engine oil and filter last night after all this started.

Its not throwing any codes yet, so I don't really know what I should do, and whether continuing to drive it will hurt anything. I took it by a buddies house that owns a diesel shop here in town where we live, and of course when he went for a ride it shifted perfectly normal. I even got on it pretty hard while on tune #4 with my EFILive (Duramax Tuner Tunes) and it shifted perfect. As soon as I dropped him off and went to driving back home normally, it did it again.

So finally an update. It finally threw a check engine light after the truck started shifting through all 5 gears and into 5th by 30mph when leaving a stoplight under normal throttle.

We scanned it and it came back with P0700 and U0100. My buddy that owns a diesel shop did a relearn and reset tabs using his snap on modis. After that everything seemed great for awhile, driving about 40miles. Today while drive no around town you can tell it's starting to shift funny again, but I haven't driven it enough to get it to throw another light. I've heard that on the TCM's they are either good or bad. No in between. I'm once again at a loss as to what I should do!

I have crawled all over checking connections, grounds, etc. Even tried a different TCM and that didn't fix it. It actually seemed to make it a lot worse. I've been fighting this almost 2 weeks now, and can't find a solution. If anyone has ANY ideas of anything else I can do/check I am open to it. I'm just trying to avoid having to spend big money taking it to a shop.

Thanks in advance!
 

Awenta

Active member
Sep 28, 2014
4,090
2
38
CT
P0700 is a generic Trans code. Need a different scanner to read the actual code. Then with that scanner monitor speed sensor readings.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
We pulled a bunch of codes out of the TCM, but I'm not sure what they were. My buddy sent them off to another guy to consult on it. I do know that when my buddy has his Snap On Modis scanner hooked up to it that when the truck was running in part and him giving it gas, the output speed sensor stayed flat level with no reading at all. He thought it should have been showing a minimum % regardless if your moving or not.
 

Mike L.

Got Sheep?
Staff member
Vendor/Sponsor
Aug 12, 2006
15,681
232
63
Fullerton CA
We pulled a bunch of codes out of the TCM, but I'm not sure what they were. My buddy sent them off to another guy to consult on it. I do know that when my buddy has his Snap On Modis scanner hooked up to it that when the truck was running in part and him giving it gas, the output speed sensor stayed flat level with no reading at all. He thought it should have been showing a minimum % regardless if your moving or not.

Output speed sensor shows value when the output shaft moves. Not standing still.
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
Output speed sensor shows value when the output shaft moves. Not standing still.

Ok, thank you Mike! That's what I was thinking also. I'm just at an absolute loss right now and about to pull my hair out. It's looking more and more like I won't be getting to go on our annual camping trip with the big horse trailer and horses. I can't afford to ruin a transmission towing 12,000lbs+ and it acting all weird.
 

Awenta

Active member
Sep 28, 2014
4,090
2
38
CT
What do the rest of the speeds show?

Those codes would be helpful too

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
PCM P0700, TCM U0100, PCM U0073, PCM U0106, UNK B2600, ABS C0055, PCM P0670, PCM P0700. These were all cleared once using the V2, and then came back after 3 key cycles.
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
I went ahead and replaced my ignition just to rule that out. That obviously didn't fix it. I thought possibly it could have been losing communication through a wire there. Anyway, the other day I was also getting a check engine light for a glow plug module, and a data bus link communication error or something. After I replaced the ignition I still had that light. A little later my wife and I drove the truck to her parents with the light on. Shut the truck off, and about 30 min later her dad and I went to run so,e errands and the light was off, and never has come back on. And I've made a few key off stops since then. I'm at an absolute loss what to check, but the quick shifting is still there. WTF!
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
Have you tuned the ECM?

What do you mean by tuned the ECM? I have EFILive on it, and have had for well over a year now. I went to a guys house a couple nights ago that had a spare TCM for a LLY truck and we swapped that out, but that didn't cure the problem.
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
Thought I was on to something. I pulled the big round wire connected loose off the right bottom of the transmission that connects to the internal harness. It had transmission fluid in it. I cleaned both ends really well and re connected. Also wire wheeled the ground that connects to the frame right under the drivers door. Went and drove the truck in stop and go traffic, and some highway. The truck shifted flawlessly. Started heading back home and right back at it is the erratic shifting. It's more around the 3-4-5th shifts, but shifting into 4th and 5th a lot sooner than it should. It almost seems when the tranny is cool it's fine, then once it warms up to normal operating temps it's there. I guess I'm going to have to cut my losses and send the thing to a shop. I don't know what else to do :(
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
So, another update of what I've tried. A buddy and I ohm' out the harness from the TCM back to the tranny and it tests good. So no broken wires.

When it yet again threw the codes U100, P0760, P0700, U0073, and U106, it allows me to clear them all but the P0760 Glow Plug Module Control circuit. The minute I clear them, it pops right back on. Then, as soon as I start the truck I get the U100 Loss Of Communication code.

Does anyone thing by any slight chance that the glow plug module could be screwing with this whole thing and causing all my issues? I'm at witts end trying to fight this crap!
 

Awenta

Active member
Sep 28, 2014
4,090
2
38
CT
Bad gpm may be causing noise further down the line. Swap with a known good one.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
 

Awenta

Active member
Sep 28, 2014
4,090
2
38
CT
There is one for sale here somewhere as far as I remember.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
 

ksstang

New member
May 17, 2011
79
0
0
Lawrence, KS
There is one for sale here somewhere as far as I remember.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

I'm just going to get one from Napa today when I get off work and try it. That way if that's not the issue I can return it and get my money back.

Does anyone think that the NSBU switch could be part of the communication loss for some reason? I've heard a few people mention it, but I haven't had any of the other symptoms that usually go with one of those failing.